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Technique epiphany...
« on: January 25, 2009, 03:45:30 PM »
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  • Though I find the activity largely contemptible, let me invoke golf.

    There, the fundamental rule is: keep your head down--lock your eyes on the tee all the way through your swing and its followthrough; resist at all costs the reflexive, bad habit urge to immediately look up and see where the ball went.

    Surfing is the exact opposite. My persistent, bad, technique-inhibiting habit is reflexively looking at my board during the swing (turn), when that's the last place my eyes, and the shoulders that naturally follow them, should be pointing. Every involuntary time, it's like I'm staring at my rail, trying to will it to slice into the shoulder or lip when, in reality, all I'm doing is bleeding the speed and style right out of the turn.

    Worse, I feel this bad habit has extended to my pop-up. I often catch myself wasting precious moments looking down at my board when, and even after, I'm getting to my feet--so that by the time I look up, I'm playing catch-up on assessing a) where I am on the wave and b) where I want to go.

    Two related ironies:

    1. Years earlier in my learning curve, I don't think I had this habit because general fear of dropping into solid waves kept my eyes locked down the line (all focus was on survival, none on a successful bottom turn).

    2. Some of the best waves I've ever surfed were when someone dropped in on me--forcing my focus completely away from my board and, in another sense, myself. By staying focused on the interloping snake, and successfully avoiding them, my surfing fell into finer tune.

    Perhaps you can relate. The practice challenge now is going to be forcing myself not to look at my board under any circumstances.

    Maybe I should write "NO, IDIOT!" in big letters on the deck...

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    Re: Technique epiphany...
    « Reply #1 on: January 25, 2009, 04:48:21 PM »
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  • "Look where you want to go..."

    Famous words - I need to keep them in my head as well - thanks for the epiphany reminder....
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    Re: Technique epiphany...
    « Reply #2 on: January 25, 2009, 06:18:49 PM »
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  • I learned a few things on my trip to Costa a few weeks back with help from  local surf school who got video of a few of my rides.

    1) Look back at the wave more.  I always thought I did this but after seeing it on video not nearly enough...so many things fell into place about surfing when I had a better sense of what the wave was doing.  (it seems obvious but...video doesn't lie)

    2)  Leave my front hand (I'm goofy so my right hand) behind me...This helped so much with balance...I had been putting both arms forward and throwing my balance off.  The correct position of my front hand was described as doing a dodgy deal in an alley way (cash behind the back)...


    Then there was lowering center of gravity with the knees pointed more inwards than I was used to...  So much learned, so much more to go...  I also got a hold of this thing called www.surfcoach.com that was worth watching the videos...not sure I'd buy it but I was happy someone made me a copy...

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    Re: Technique epiphany...
    « Reply #3 on: January 25, 2009, 07:06:28 PM »
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  • I learned a few things on my trip to Costa a few weeks back with help from  local surf school who got video of a few of my rides.

    1) Look back at the wave more.  I always thought I did this but after seeing it on video not nearly enough...so many things fell into place about surfing when I had a better sense of what the wave was doing.  (it seems obvious but...video doesn't lie)

    2)  Leave my front hand (I'm goofy so my right hand) behind me...This helped so much with balance...I had been putting both arms forward and throwing my balance off.  The correct position of my front hand was described as doing a dodgy deal in an alley way (cash behind the back)...


    Then there was lowering center of gravity with the knees pointed more inwards than I was used to...  So much learned, so much more to go...  I also got a hold of this thing called www.surfcoach.com that was worth watching the videos...not sure I'd buy it but I was happy someone made me a copy...

    HSR


    do you mean, leave your left hand behind you? If not, I don't get the right hand behind you thing. I've seen good surfers do it for style points, like when you hand are behind your back in the tube, but never as part of their consistent surfing.

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    Re: Technique epiphany...
    « Reply #4 on: January 25, 2009, 08:53:00 PM »
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  • your lead foot hand.  I'm goofy so my right foot is forward, my right hand is slightly behind me (right after pop up).  My left hand is on the front side of my body...  It has worked for me...previously I used to pop up and swing my right hand in an awkward motion around to the front of my body.


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    Re: Technique epiphany...
    « Reply #5 on: January 25, 2009, 09:02:00 PM »
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  •  ???
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    Re: Technique epiphany...
    « Reply #6 on: January 26, 2009, 07:03:37 AM »
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    Me too.  I'm goofy-footed and if I were to pop up and put my right hand behind me, I think I would be even goofier.  :o   
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    Re: Technique epiphany...
    « Reply #7 on: January 26, 2009, 12:31:15 PM »
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  • I think he means relative to his body, not the board. So your shoulders are more open on take-off???
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    Re: Technique epiphany...
    « Reply #8 on: January 26, 2009, 01:25:47 PM »
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  • that doesn't make sense to me - i can't think of an instance where you are not leading with your front (right if you are goofy) hand. even on a cut back, i think of the right hand as being in front since it is leading the direction you are going as you pull your shoulders around. am i missing something? unless i'm backside trying to pull in and sticking my right arm in the face, i can't imagine when my right hand would be behind me.

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    Re: Technique epiphany...
    « Reply #9 on: January 26, 2009, 01:32:02 PM »
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  • how do you point your way out of barrels if not with your leading hand?  Something is off here.


    cutbacks to for that matter
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    Re: Technique epiphany...
    « Reply #10 on: January 26, 2009, 02:41:33 PM »
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  • must be a special tico technique...i pretend to go one way while i drop in on you going the other?  :P
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    Re: Technique epiphany...
    « Reply #11 on: January 26, 2009, 04:18:27 PM »
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  • "Put your eyes where my hands can see."
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    Re: Technique epiphany...
    « Reply #12 on: January 26, 2009, 06:56:56 PM »
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  • Ah, whatever... I lack the words

    I DO mean relative to my body and not the board and previously both of my arms were on the same side of my body- that wasn't working out too well.  When turning or pumping the arm does wind up swinging in front of my front foot...

    This is a rather extreme example but he does have more weight he could shift and throw into a turn:



    Or here if you look at the middle line of his body Kelly's front hand is on the opposite side of his body from his back hand most of the time...

    I suppose it is confusing to call it "behind" when relative to the board it does lead but my point is that my lead arm acts as a counter weight to my back arm and is not in front of my body / extended in the same direction as my back arm for the majority of the ride...








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    Re: Technique epiphany...
    « Reply #13 on: January 26, 2009, 07:27:40 PM »
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  • whenever I see this video I wonder what the story with the yellow longboarder is.

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    Re: Technique epiphany...
    « Reply #14 on: January 26, 2009, 08:04:07 PM »
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  • the top guy is stalling his board on the top pic, 28 sec. slater bust the air lead hand pointing where he wants the board to go, same with the turns at 2:02 I guess that is behind him briefly until his body lower half catches up to his already twisted upper.  But deffinetly pic one homes over shot the barrel and is trying to slow himself down to get into it or less be called a barrel dodger by all his mates.  You can see by his rear foot placement and that the front half of his board is out of the water that he is trying to stall into the tube.  In the pic that I posted of Poncho's cutback would you say leading hand is behind him or that its extended so far out and the turn is so tight that hes twisted and still coming around the turn?
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