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Re: so who can teach me how to duck dive in 24 hours?
« Reply #30 on: October 13, 2005, 08:20:24 AM »
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  • er....if you turtle roll without momentum yer gonna get just as creamed as duckdiving without momentum. i say this only because i have just started to figure out how to roll semieffectively, and getting as much momentum as possible, then kind of screwing through the wave feels a hell of a lot better than waht i used to do which was just kinda flip over and get pounded fer a 5 yard loss.
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    Re: so who can teach me how to duck dive in 24 hours?
    « Reply #31 on: October 13, 2005, 08:22:03 AM »
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  • I can teach you to DD in 24 hours, wait till Hawaii Blows up. Get air dropped into massive bombs on a sick swell & leave ya there. You'll learn really quick!!!! ;D

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    Re: so who can teach me how to duck dive in 24 hours?
    « Reply #32 on: October 13, 2005, 08:24:48 AM »
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  • watch a surf video...they show duckdiving all the time....

    hold onto you board at all costs!......(I don't want to loose my eyeballs)

    pretty much assume you are only going to get a fully good duckdive about 6 times in a row before you will be tired and out of breath and riding one back in.....so time your paddle out between sets if possible and pull like hell

    A well done duckdive is a thing of beauty......you don't want to go too too deep, and if you do it right, you can get juiced out the back of the wave......if it's a headhigh wall of whitewater, your screwed no matter what technique you have, so hold on to the board and start scratching again.....

    no matter what....you will get out....if you don't give up...........you might not be able to ride a wave once you get out, but it will be ok nontheless

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    Re: so who can teach me how to duck dive in 24 hours?
    « Reply #33 on: October 13, 2005, 08:36:12 AM »
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  • well, of course it doesn't matter b/c the waves kinda suck anyway. Don't worry i'm not letting go of my board in front of anyone, just don't know how these light people can push them big thick boards under.

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    Re: so who can teach me how to duck dive in 24 hours?
    « Reply #34 on: October 13, 2005, 08:43:26 AM »
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  • I took an oversized fish out (actually RedDoors beloved "Dantheboard") out on 3/11 and had plenty of trouble duck diving all that float, and got royally worked......after that day, I went back to a potatochip board and I can really dig in under the waves.....I really really don't know how people get big boards under the waves, but I guess they make up for it with speed in between sets

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    Re: so who can teach me how to duck dive in 24 hours?
    « Reply #35 on: October 13, 2005, 08:45:39 AM »
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  • its star i'm worried about, not you lone surfer. i'll say it again: hold on to your board!

    jake isn't light, hence the i can duck dive my 14 foot hobie ;)

    i am medium size, 5'7" and 135?, i use my body weight as i said earlier. think of a seesaw. put weight on one end and it goes down. put weight on the middle and it doesn't move.

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    Re: so who can teach me how to duck dive in 24 hours?
    « Reply #36 on: October 13, 2005, 08:58:44 AM »
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    think of a seesaw

    that is actually a really good comparison.

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    Re: so who can teach me how to duck dive in 24 hours?
    « Reply #37 on: October 13, 2005, 09:22:12 AM »
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  • good points.. my $.02... let me reiterate for others who need to see it 4 times - HOLD ON TO YOUR BOARD.. if you can't consistently hold your board then it's just too big for you and you are putting others at risk.  You should paddle in.  Period.

    Anyway, you all have done a good job pointing out a lot of technique.  I just wanted to say that the one thing i find that works better than the most beautiful perfect duck dive is good timing and knowledge of the currents/rips.  10mins spent observing conditions on the beach will easily save you half an hour in the rinse cycle.

    I also wanted to mention that different duck diving techniques are more effective for different types of waves at different times.  Like if the lip is gonna explode right in front of you or if it's just a wall of wash.  If it's shallow or deep.  If you're in a rip zone.  If there's backwash.  If it's doubling up.  If it's long period and offshore or messy windchop.  All require different tweaks: depth, length underwater, entry angle, timing, exit angle, kick, etc..  To me, the ocean is a vain lover.  She rewards those who spend hours watching and admiring her.  Learning her in all aspects.  Making love to her is not about your prowess, but understanding her movements, perceiving her mood, and experiencing her soul.

    The other thing that was mentioned was practicing diving in flat water.  I think this is a good excercise.  It makes you think about your technique and mechanics, and when you get pretty decent you will be able to duck dive without any forward paddling.  I think it is quite possible and imho very necessary to learn to duckdive without much forward momentum.  Just as an example, what about when you just pulled into a nice close-out barrel and come up, gather your board and the next wave is right on top of you.  Sometimes there's not time to build up speed.  Anyway depth is usually more important than speed, imho.  And really, planing depth achieved by speed is not that great except in certain instances.

    And another point on that note is that i sometimes notice that people take a really long time to get moving again after surfacing after a duckdive.  When my ass is on the line, i'm paddling literally as i break the surface.

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    Re: so who can teach me how to duck dive in 24 hours?
    « Reply #38 on: October 13, 2005, 10:06:44 AM »
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  • good to hear all the theory and technique but ultimately i'm gonna be checking out the person who can actually duck dive effectively.

    LN kinda hit it on the spot.  so much comes up to judgment, experience and ability.  trust me, i've met people who claim they do this and that, but you see em, and BLAH!  that's why you should just look and learn...

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    Re: so who can teach me how to duck dive in 24 hours?
    « Reply #39 on: October 13, 2005, 10:14:48 AM »
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  • Is turtle diving a shorter board bad? Like a 6/8 & up?

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    Re: so who can teach me how to duck dive in 24 hours?
    « Reply #40 on: October 13, 2005, 10:17:31 AM »
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  • yes












    but i do it if i'm really tired

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    Re: so who can teach me how to duck dive in 24 hours?
    « Reply #41 on: October 13, 2005, 10:19:43 AM »
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  • haha me too.
    usually at the end of a session. although sometimes i just want to float there and get creamed. i stop caring, "c'mon, hit me! hit me!" LOL

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    Re: so who can teach me how to duck dive in 24 hours?
    « Reply #42 on: October 13, 2005, 10:22:32 AM »
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  • that's like when you are dead tired and take a wave in, but forget to look back and get creamed in the shorebreak....

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    Re: so who can teach me how to duck dive in 24 hours?
    « Reply #43 on: October 13, 2005, 10:24:42 AM »
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  • Just for those who are worried about me...

    I always hold onto my board! I know that by
    letting it go I endanger other surfers as well as
    myself. I quoted a book I've been reading and
    when I was at surf camp in Costa Rica my
    instructor mentioned that if you're really [email protected]#ked
    to push the board away from you sideways but
    make sure no other surfers are around. I don't
    think it's a good idea personally.

    I promise I will never let go of my board!  :-*

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    Re: so who can teach me how to duck dive in 24 hours?
    « Reply #44 on: October 13, 2005, 10:28:00 AM »
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  • she lies