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since the haircut?
« on: July 23, 2007, 01:19:54 PM »
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  • Since they cut those the spikes, I wonder whats going on with the beach. I noticed that the sand has filled in around where theyre cut, so much so that you cannot see the shorter sticks at all & the longer ones are now getting covered starting at the beach. Like I mentioned back when they 1rst cut them, the sand can & did move freely around the back where the cut sticks were. I wonder if the beach is going to fill in further out to sea now? I mean that was what the pumping project a few years back was for, maybe inadvertently, the cuts sticks actually cuased it to do that on its own? You cant even see the part  I seriously wonder what kind of effects this will have on the way coastline was. Its almost always a shore pound now, even at lowtide. Is it becuase of a natural movement of the sandbars or is it becuase changed the way sand can move & the sands filling in starting at the beach line moving outward now? I wonder. Weve been seeing some consistantly weird shore break lately. I remember riding knee to waste high waves with Pefa that broke way out past the jetty in the many years before on a lowtide day, now its seeming to be impossable to get that same condition. It doesnt seem to really matter if its high or Low anymore, the shorebreak seems to sneak up on ya alot out of nowhere. Is this natural, mayeb its too early to tell? I dont know, just thought it worthy of discussion.

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    Re: since the haircut?
    « Reply #1 on: July 23, 2007, 01:50:00 PM »
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  • Did they actually cut them? Or is a naturally occurring sand movement. The spikes will seem to grow and shrink due to moving sand. Lower than usual tides will make them appear to grow and vice-versa. Usually, calmer periods will bring sand to the shore and cover them up more than usual. Then a cupla days of surf will scour out that sand making them grow again.
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    Re: since the haircut?
    « Reply #2 on: July 23, 2007, 01:53:23 PM »
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  • Did they actually cut them? Or is a naturally occurring sand movement. The spikes will seem to grow and shrink due to moving sand. Lower than usual tides will make them appear to grow and vice-versa. Usually, calmer periods will bring sand to the shore and cover them up more than usual. Then a cupla days of surf will scour out that sand making them grow again.

    Just wrote almost the exact same thing.  The sand will get sucked out and end up as that lovely little spit/sandbar off the end of the jetty after the next storm.  ;)
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    Re: since the haircut?
    « Reply #3 on: July 23, 2007, 02:01:00 PM »
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  • I was hanging out by the second set of sticks on Saturday afternoon. They were invisible to anyone surfing except for a suck back every three minutes or so. I don't know how many times I waved people to the left or right of where they were going or explained to some oblivious visitors what sort of danger they were in. Some dudes were literally jumping off their boards back first (hello paralysis) within inches of the sticks. The sign that warns of their presence was flipped backwards and invisible amongst the sunbathers umbrellas. Really dangerous stuff. Needs to be fixed. At least during the hours that they are totally obscured, a lifeguard should be around there keeping people from mangling themselves.
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    Re: since the haircut?
    « Reply #4 on: July 23, 2007, 02:34:53 PM »
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  • throw in blinding glare of sunset..and you have bruised ribs!

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    Re: since the haircut?
    « Reply #5 on: July 23, 2007, 02:58:51 PM »
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  • I now officially HATE THE STICKS. Seriously. THey seem worse than ever, and I dunno why. I"ve been surfing rock for years now and they never bothered me until now. Is it just me or do they somehow seem worse? I dunno why I"m having so many more close calls with them.

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    Re: since the haircut?
    « Reply #6 on: July 23, 2007, 03:18:46 PM »
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  • Did they actually cut them? Or is a naturally occurring sand movement. The spikes will seem to grow and shrink due to moving sand. Lower than usual tides will make them appear to grow and vice-versa. Usually, calmer periods will bring sand to the shore and cover them up more than usual. Then a cupla days of surf will scour out that sand making them grow again.

    Yeah they did actually cut them, I mentioned the question of natural movement of the sand but now that about 10 feet of stricks closest to the beach have been cut, what kind of ffect will this have on the way the sticks used to hold the sand? before it slowed the proccess a bit, Im not sure how much but now I noticed where the sticks are cut, the sand has moved as you said, but quite a buit.  we could uaually at least once or twice a month see the sticks closer to the beach but the poll sticking out of the sand is nailed to the tallest stand spike after they cut the sticks down. The sand is so far out in frnt of that poll now. I know it moves back & forth but has it sped up? I dont know.

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    Re: since the haircut?
    « Reply #7 on: July 23, 2007, 03:33:50 PM »
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  • i don't like the haircut, like AJ said, was much easier to spot them before. Feel like the sandbar by the third row of sticks from the jetty has flattened out, used to be you'd paddle out and then be knee deep for abit.
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    Re: since the haircut?
    « Reply #8 on: July 23, 2007, 05:14:55 PM »
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  • the shore pound is just summer sand movement.  has happened every summer i've been surfing roq. one thing different i noticed last night, though, was that there is a different sandbar around the sticks.  It's dredging right into them, making it pretty enticing to stay on right until the last moment. i've witnessed a number people bail right before them...i think even nycwo can admit to that:)

    the bottom line is you have to be aware of where you are in relation to the sticks all the time. pay attention to where you are.  yes, they're harder to see now, but you can still see them.
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    Re: since the haircut?
    « Reply #9 on: July 23, 2007, 08:39:40 PM »
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    It's dredging right into them, making it pretty enticing to stay on right until the last moment.

    Yup. THat's the problem lately. THis AM I warned the few other folks in the water about the same thing. The wave was reforming/jacking up/barelling right at the sticks. It was very tempting to keep going. IN fact I did keep going and luckily emerged unscathed.

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    Re: since the haircut?
    « Reply #10 on: July 23, 2007, 08:51:53 PM »
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  • I have a nice scar now from two weeks ago and I still LOVE them sticks.
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    Re: since the haircut?
    « Reply #11 on: July 23, 2007, 09:02:34 PM »
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  • the bottom line is you have to be aware of where you are in relation to the sticks all the time. pay attention to where you are.  yes, they're harder to see now, but you can still see them.

    always!


    the sign is missing but the pole is still there...keep focus on it. would be a bit easier if the pole was bright orange or some fluorescent colored spray paint  ::) ::) or perhaps a big flagballoonbowtiesomething to say HEY DEATHSPIKES OVER HERE

    until this gets sorted with better signage, do it yourself?




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    Re: since the haircut?
    « Reply #12 on: July 23, 2007, 11:09:10 PM »
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  • ...I kept going.  :(

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    Re: since the haircut?
    « Reply #13 on: July 23, 2007, 11:43:24 PM »
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  • psycho, i think you gotta watch what's going on over a long period of time.  Right now the whole island is pretty shorebreaky.  Even out east the bars aren't really working that well right now.  It's a seasonal thing.  With your vidding you could probably take a pic on low tides for a period of time - like a year or more - to get a really good idea of what's going on.  It's possible you could get some grant funding for something like that...  ;) ;)


    As far as the spikes, i think there should be some better signage or warning buoy.

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    Re: since the haircut?
    « Reply #14 on: July 23, 2007, 11:59:13 PM »
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  • psycho, i think you gotta watch what's going on over a long period of time.  Right now the whole island is pretty shorebreaky.  Even out east the bars aren't really working that well right now.  It's a seasonal thing.  With your vidding you could probably take a pic on low tides for a period of time - like a year or more - to get a really good idea of what's going on.  It's possible you could get some grant funding for something like that...  ;) ;)


    As far as the spikes, i think there should be some better signage or warning buoy.

    I was gonna say, the bars at  long beach are even flatter. even on solid swells  many spots are not breaking at all, even at low tide.

    On friday some of my best rides were rights directly into the spike. Maybe i'm playing with fire, i don't know.

    « Last Edit: July 24, 2007, 12:50:37 AM by The Lone Surfer »