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Sorry, I gotta do it.
« on: January 16, 2007, 01:01:54 PM »
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  • Lets spark some conversation. Jen & Bubba, Invite some fellow Jerzinians to the board get kick this up a knoch.

    Dave_in_NJ

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    Re: Sorry, I gotta do it.
    « Reply #1 on: January 16, 2007, 01:50:04 PM »
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  • what do you mean by "better" -- e.g., waves in NJ are generally more powerful and challenging than LI, but is that necesarily better? You have to be more specific

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    Re: Sorry, I gotta do it.
    « Reply #2 on: January 16, 2007, 03:00:42 PM »
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  • If you like rights, NJ is better. If you like lefts, NY/LI is better.

    Ability wise? I think its a toss-up and it really doesn't matter because we all surf each other's breaks anyway.

    Every area has its local standouts, so it really is hard to say.
    « Last Edit: January 16, 2007, 03:07:00 PM by Crackie Onassis »
    So heavy you can't even pick it up.

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    Re: Sorry, I gotta do it.
    « Reply #3 on: January 16, 2007, 03:25:20 PM »
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  • nyc has the prettiest,
    but NJ girls are the friendliest.

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    Re: Sorry, I gotta do it.
    « Reply #4 on: January 16, 2007, 04:53:19 PM »
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  • It is Billy Joel versus Springsteen.
    So heavy you can't even pick it up.

    Dave_in_NJ

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    Re: Sorry, I gotta do it.
    « Reply #5 on: January 16, 2007, 05:00:40 PM »
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  • every spot has its own characteristics but I'd say on the whole the waves are more powerful and steeper in NJ, not by much but its def. there. As far as ability-wise, apples and oranges. NJ has way more surfable area than LI and in addition to that, way more New Jerseyans surf than Long Islanders. So obviously much more top talent (as well as just skilled regular-guy surfers) comes from Jersey than from LI. I mean just consider the fact that many x the amount of people come from LI/NYC to surf Jersey than the opposite, yeah you got your epic days that stand out in memory Oct. 2004(?) for the fact that NJ crews came to NYC/LI, saw, and conquered, but its not a regular occurence. Put it this way - I lived in Brooklyn for 4 years, surfed Rockaway, LB, Moses, East, etc. and I absolutely never ever ever saw any NJ plates, andnot to mention none of my friends from home would find any reason to drive to NY to surf  (drive 1-2 hours to surf crowded etiquette-lacking lineups vs. ride your bike) and since I finally moved back to NJ for good 5 years ago, I actually see quite a few NY plates around, esp. in the summer.  

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    Re: Sorry, I gotta do it.
    « Reply #6 on: January 16, 2007, 07:31:17 PM »
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  • every spot has its own characteristics but I'd say on the whole the waves are more powerful and steeper in NJ, not by much but its def. there. As far as ability-wise, apples and oranges. NJ has way more surfable area than LI and in addition to that, way more New Jerseyans surf than Long Islanders. So obviously much more top talent (as well as just skilled regular-guy surfers) comes from Jersey than from LI. I mean just consider the fact that many x the amount of people come from LI/NYC to surf Jersey than the opposite, yeah you got your epic days that stand out in memory Oct. 2004(?) for the fact that NJ crews came to NYC/LI, saw, and conquered, but its not a regular occurence. Put it this way - I lived in Brooklyn for 4 years, surfed *far western LI*, LB, *central LI*, East, etc. and I absolutely never ever ever saw any NJ plates, andnot to mention none of my friends from home would find any reason to drive to NY to surf  (drive 1-2 hours to surf crowded etiquette-lacking lineups vs. ride your bike) and since I finally moved back to NJ for good 5 years ago, I actually see quite a few NY plates around, esp. in the summer. 

    Ehh....I routinely see jersey plates around when conditions warrant. Surfed with, talked to plenty of Jersey guys, too. But I'd have to guess that in general you're right, there's more travel in the direction of Jersey, tho.

    Agree that surfing is more popular in Jersey, but disagree about the amount of surfable area: LI has about 120 miles of exposed shoreline, Jersey just a couple of miles more. What differs, however, is the amount of accessible shoreline. My sense is that for accessibility, Jersey holds a distinct advantage. As a whole, most of LI's 120 miles is restricted/difficult to access - which impacts in every way - fewer people surf overall, but when they do, they are restricted and do so in a smaller area, and therefore generate bigger, sometimes unruly crowds. This also accounts for, in my mind, the disparity in the level of surfing much more than the debatable difference in wave quality. The top athletes on LI are playing Lacrosse, soccer, baseball, etc, and while the same is true in Jersey, there's at least SOME increased chance that the kid who's a top athlete has been exposed to and chooses surfing.

    Interesting topic, tho....
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    Dave_in_NJ

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    Re: Sorry, I gotta do it.
    « Reply #7 on: January 16, 2007, 07:55:20 PM »
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  • your right, I just did a mapquest search - sandy h00k to cape may is 120 miles, and breezy point to Montauk is 119 miles!


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    Re: Sorry, I gotta do it.
    « Reply #8 on: January 16, 2007, 08:13:07 PM »
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  • nyc has the prettiest,
    but NJ girls are the friendliest.

    I've always been told I have a nice personality  ;D

    I'm going to have to agree that "better" needs narrower parameters.

    NJ is best to me, because I got in where I am before the housing bubble, I am short walk to the train, my gym and an assortment of places to get well fed, tipsy and cultured and a 10-20min drive to an assortment of breaks.

    The break closest to me  in that  state park can get so fun that if I was able to get waves there when it's on, I don't think I'd have nearly half the yen to travel that I do. The breaks south of there have decent access, but the shore-front has become somewhat exclusive real estate. This seems to be an equalizer becuse if you can get up early enough you can still get an hour to yourself since few surfers actually live at the beach in these towns.

    That said, I also have the keys to my in-laws out on Eastern LI and look forward to surfing out there for a change of scenery when we visit.  I think if I hadn't commited myself to hard time restoring a Victorian money-pit I'd get out of Monmouth more in general, but I'd def spend more time out there. We don't get to explore Mntk as much as I'd like to since we are usually slipping off for a few hours between meals.

    It sounds like the folks out in r0ck have a really great, unique community and while I've got a tight group, few of the relationships extend further than surf and the occasional coffee. It's great to hear that people are buying their homes out there given the volatile nature of real estate.
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    Re: Sorry, I gotta do it.
    « Reply #9 on: January 16, 2007, 08:13:25 PM »
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  • every spot has its own characteristics but I'd say on the whole the waves are more powerful and steeper in NJ, not by much but its def. there. As far as ability-wise, apples and oranges. NJ has way more surfable area than LI and in addition to that, way more New Jerseyans surf than Long Islanders. So obviously much more top talent (as well as just skilled regular-guy surfers) comes from Jersey than from LI. I mean just consider the fact that many x the amount of people come from LI/NYC to surf Jersey than the opposite, yeah you got your epic days that stand out in memory Oct. 2004(?) for the fact that NJ crews came to NYC/LI, saw, and conquered, but its not a regular occurence. Put it this way - I lived in Brooklyn for 4 years, surfed *far western LI*, LB, *central LI*, East, etc. and I absolutely never ever ever saw any NJ plates, andnot to mention none of my friends from home would find any reason to drive to NY to surf  (drive 1-2 hours to surf crowded etiquette-lacking lineups vs. ride your bike) and since I finally moved back to NJ for good 5 years ago, I actually see quite a few NY plates around, esp. in the summer. 

    Ehh....I routinely see jersey plates around when conditions warrant. Surfed with, talked to plenty of Jersey guys, too. But I'd have to guess that in general you're right, there's more travel in the direction of Jersey, tho.

    Agree that surfing is more popular in Jersey, but disagree about the amount of surfable area: LI has about 120 miles of exposed shoreline, Jersey just a couple of miles more. What differs, however, is the amount of accessible shoreline. My sense is that for accessibility, Jersey holds a distinct advantage. As a whole, most of LI's 120 miles is restricted/difficult to access - which impacts in every way - fewer people surf overall, but when they do, they are restricted and do so in a smaller area, and therefore generate bigger, sometimes unruly crowds. This also accounts for, in my mind, the disparity in the level of surfing much more than the debatable difference in wave quality. The top athletes on LI are playing Lacrosse, soccer, baseball, etc, and while the same is true in Jersey, there's at least SOME increased chance that the kid who's a top athlete has been exposed to and chooses surfing.

    Interesting topic, tho....

    I, too, have seen plenty of NJ plates.  Even out east.  I don't really think i've noticed much difference between the two that couldn't be explained by geography and traffic.

    But just because NY'ers go to NJ more often than jersey folks go to NY, is that just because the surf is better - or does it have more to do with their view on local breaks and travelling for surf in general??  I say the latter.

    I personally don't find LI surf much less accessible than NJ with the notable exception of non-driveable Fire Island.

    Talent-wise i'd give the edge to NJ for general little shortboard rippers.  Longboarding and spongers - i think LI is better.

    As far as swell conditions, i think i did a study awhile back comparing NJ and NY.  Pretty comparable.  Very comparable actually.  I might work on my yearly retrospective tonight.  MAybe i'll see if i can put together something for NJ.

    When it comes to surf zones and individual breaks, it's a tossup in my mind.  I would say that NJ may have slight edge in terms of juiciness and the number of good breaks, but probably 4 of my 6 favorite area breaks are in NY.  But that's today.  After about #3, my little list changes like a fickle fall sandbar.

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    Re: Sorry, I gotta do it.
    « Reply #10 on: January 16, 2007, 08:26:17 PM »
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  • your right, I just did a mapquest search - sandy h00k to cape may is 120 miles, and breezy point to Montauk is 119 miles!



    Damn...guess I'm going to have to change the site's tagline: "Two States 247 239 Miles of Coastline, One Website."  ::)

    Trying to remember where I came up with 247 - I have some vague recollection of looking it up somewhere official. Not that it matters  - I seem to surf the same couple of hundred yards in the same couple of locations.  ::) ::)
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    Re: Sorry, I gotta do it.
    « Reply #11 on: January 16, 2007, 08:30:20 PM »
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  • your right, I just did a mapquest search - sandy h00k to cape may is 120 miles, and breezy point to Montauk is 119 miles!



    Damn...guess I'm going to have to change the site's tagline: "Two States 247 239 Miles of Coastline, One Website."  ::)

    Trying to remember where I came up with 247 - I have some vague recollection of looking it up somewhere official. Not that it matters  - I seem to surf the same couple of hundred yards in the same couple of locations.  ::) ::)


    lol - but aren't we forgetting the wrap around the points and certain ny harbor islands?  lmao

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    Re: Sorry, I gotta do it.
    « Reply #12 on: January 17, 2007, 07:35:09 AM »
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  • Anecdotally, I would give NJ the edge (but not by much) due to the fact that the winds are probably offshore there more often than in LI.  That is said basd on the fact that our weather patterns generally move west to east.  Both have enough nooks and crannies, if you are willing to travel a bit you can find perfection (or near perfection) on any decent swell that hits.
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    Re: Sorry, I gotta do it.
    « Reply #13 on: January 17, 2007, 08:41:53 AM »
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  • ok - re: Jersey people trekking to NY - my perspective is from '97-01. Maybe yes there are more now -- note SC said "when conditions warrant"

    Whats different now than 6+ years in the past? Broadband access, cams, plethora of surfing websites and forecasters, ubiquity of cellphones. Case in point, myself, who has surfed numerous LI spots that I never would have gone to were it not for people I met online who hooked me up.

    Also - from what I've observed, there aren't that many groins on LI past the LB area going east, whereas NJ has them pretty much top to bottom. That makes things somewhat more dependable. Plus we have way more inlets and fishing piers. 

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    since few surfers actually live at the beach in these towns.

    thats actually not really true at all, you just rarely if ever see them at the "common" spots --if you stay in this area long enough you'll know what I'm talking about

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    Re: Sorry, I gotta do it.
    « Reply #14 on: January 17, 2007, 09:32:38 AM »
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  • Seacliff, 247 probably includes the Delaware Bay wrap around.

    I think that you will see more NJ people making the drive to NY as sites like this one and wave cams illustrate what people could only speculate upon in earlier years; are there waves? But I have heard so many people say "I've been meaning to check that place out, but I never get around to it." NJ surfers are still a lazy and hung-over breed.

    I also think Seacliff is right on when it comes to access. The typical ELI surfer travels about as far to get to the ocean  (ie: going over causways, bridges and whatnot) to get to the beach as residents of Wall, Toms River, Brick and Matawan (if not further). Meanwhile, towns in Mon Cty are fully suburbanized. As far as I can tell, the only part of LI that has similar access to NJ is LB, where there's no causeway to cross to get to the ocean, but I haven't searched the Island at all, so I'm sure I'm mistaken. Still, LB is strikingly similar in many ways to BMR/LCMO, NJ.

    Just look at how many full-year residents now live in "The War Zone" and how the MSH Warriors seem to kick football azz every year (love my Warriors football!). That area was all summer rentals 15 years ago, now the rentals are being pushed out. If they could make the ferry system cheaper, you would see the further suburbanization of Monmouth County.

    What does all of this mean? Kids in towns that used to be reserved for summer tourism now roll out of bed at 6am during the school year, grab a skateboard/bike and their stuff and go to the end of their street and check the waves. If there are waves, they surf. You still can't do that on much of LI.
    So heavy you can't even pick it up.