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Marioville! Sports, Politics, Humor and more... / Re: The Bonus
« on: December 28, 2006, 03:09:41 PM »
great points looseness. 

Marioville! Sports, Politics, Humor and more... / Re: Barry zito
« on: December 28, 2006, 02:42:51 PM »
he ripped them off.  be glad you didn't overpay for his tired arm.

we have just about 100 people here on the sales desk. i just counted 18 that are here the day after christmas. looks like im taking a 2 hour lunch maybe grab something from the the burger joint in midtown and then go bet on the ice skaters at rockefeller.

what is the bet on the ice skaters?  who falls first?

Marioville! Sports, Politics, Humor and more... / Re: RIP JB!
« on: December 26, 2006, 12:08:58 PM »
favorite JB song?

I'm A Greedy Man

Marioville! Sports, Politics, Humor and more... / Re: The Bonus
« on: December 22, 2006, 12:03:56 PM »
Mario and BB, you guys make fair points. 

I am not saying Goldman, or any other firm that hands out big checks (or the guys smart enough to get them) are immoral, nor is (to BB's pt) a business that has to make a hard choices about who to fire, cut, etc; but, I am saying that fundamentally the government has a responsibility to institute policies that avoid a country where there are a few with great wealth and legions of poor.  Lots of rich and lots of poor, depending on your perspective, is "immoral" or undesirable, or is plain not in the long-term interest of anyone. 

So I am just arguing that we should not ignore the increasing economic inequality in the country.  Not that anyone here is, and not that the guy with the bonus check is either.  But the check is a symptom and a proxy for some people's outrage over and growing sense of the rising income disparity.

And, to Mario's pt, Gates and many of those who have great wealth, give it away (to their great credit).  And (to BB's pt) many of those who make a cool 100K are not as charitable as those with far less.  But generally, we, as a nation, should not have to depend on Gates to give it away or mandate that the 100K class do it as well.  Government has a responsibility to make the engine of capitalism work for everyone, and it seems to be abdicating that responsibility by allowing increasing economic inequality in the US. 

I know crap about economics, but I think this Index is accepted by many as an objective measure of income disparity.

"All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind."
-- Adam Smith, Wealth of Nations

""We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both.""
Louis D. Brandeis

Marioville! Sports, Politics, Humor and more... / Re: The TIP
« on: December 21, 2006, 05:26:41 PM »
exactly!  obv all you guys do the right thing. 

unlike the suckers I am talking about.

Marioville! Sports, Politics, Humor and more... / Re: The Bonus
« on: December 21, 2006, 05:23:30 PM »
it's morally wrong that bill gates pays the same amount in social security taxes as a guy making $94,000

it's morally wrong that policymakers are making it easier for the rich to get richer and the poor poorer

it's morally wrong that the CEO of walmart makes whatever billions he makes and the average Walmart worker makes $20,000.

it's morally wrong that the CEO club keeps raising their own salaries so that compared to the CEO businessman who runs the company next door, this particular $53 million dollar bonus looks good

policies that increase the disparity in wealth, opportunity, and education between the haves and the have nots are wrong.  it wasn't this bad 20 years ago, and the way we are going, it will be worse in 20 years.  a comparatively tiny pool of wealthy elites running the show, while the rest of the country works two jobs, worries about paying for kids, healthcare bills, etc.  

so the guy who got $53 million - I don't blame him exactly.  he worked the system.  but it's the system that needs to be changed.  the system is morally wrong.  and the argument that if you want to put any restraints on CEO compensation/bonus means you want to chuck capitalism is baloney.  just reduce, instead of encourage, all these disparities.

obv none of this is a problem at Mario-Co because the CFO makes the same as the mailroom clerk since they are the same kook.   :)  however, everywhere else . . .

Marioville! Sports, Politics, Humor and more... / Re: The TIP
« on: December 21, 2006, 05:04:51 PM »
here's one:

the cleaning lady gets a card for everyone in the office on her floor.  she cleans their trash every day and occasionally does a little cleaning here and there.  mostly though she just does her job like everyone else and gets paid lots less.  so, most of them got to work today and saw that she had left them a little personalized card.  everyone makes at least 5 times her salary.  so what are all the cheapo's going to do - get her a card back!!!  ain't that F'ed?  c'mon, a little something seems appropriate.  esp when even $5 would be enough to make a little difference on her end.  you can't pretend you are big time, if you don't act like it when it counts.

those are tricky.  and they don't give you the answers.  13/20

owen wright

Marioville! Sports, Politics, Humor and more... / Re: Anybody else
« on: December 08, 2006, 04:04:24 PM »
such a phony

Anybody even halfway-reasonable should acknowledge there is a long, documented history of excessive use of police force (including by the NYPD) against black men.  We don't have all the facts, but most people would agree that 50 shots at an unarmed man (driving or otherwise) is excessive.

Anyone who tries to help change/inform/put an end to that - at a rally, on TV, on a message board - should be appreciated.  Sitting idle while injustice goes unchecked just leads to more of the same.  Perpetrating sterotypes can't help much either.  And just because other social injustices exist or have been committed - doesn't negate searching for justice here.

I hate the fvcking poser place and i work just down th street from it - over priced whore bags they are and they called it "d!tch pla!ns" for the record

so true.

Tester and Webb are great.  Bill Richardson, Gov of New Mexico and dem pres candidate, is another economic populist who might be the goods.

congrats, saw that sunday.  moving up.

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