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Messages - brooklyniwa

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hg, you're totally right. and a comp lab funded by the concession stand sounds hip enough for the beardos to actually do. but i bet they'd provide ipads. i'm not holding my breath for anyone, surf motivated or not, to do something.

all i'm saying is surfers aren't the only locals who can benefit from good momentum and change. and that is a thought worth thinking about.

shoot, i wish i was around for paradise garage. i missed that cruise by a good 10-15yrs ha. and i wish i could reminisce with those who've been around the rock for those said outpost days. but as much as new yorkers love to hang on to nostalgia, change is inevitable. might as well surrender to it and maybe even guide it.

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i'm gonna get real kook and whippa snappa on everyone right now... but it's astonishing that all of this change of face talk is going on and nearly nobody presents ideas or even interest regarding underserved rockaway youth who don't surf or even swim, mainly from the projects. yes, it's a touchy subject and this may not be the platform to have that dialogue. and, i realize most of this forum's members are of a certain generation and therefore may not have the time/energy to invest in such brainstorming. (i'm sure those people are the first to verbalize their appreciation for the increased sense of safety.) however, if we are going to talk about the changing face of rockaway and discuss newcomers and hipsters and contests and businesses... what about talking about the sensitive issue and consider people who already live there - who aren't surfers but very well are still rockaway locals? we can joke about zombies and share frustrating sentiments about rapists and surfboard stealing cops. but with a new wave of surfers and residents and business people already coming in, can the dialogue shift from remedial to preventative measures? what i'm saying is... if you're so passionate about preserving your beach, why not think a few generations ahead and think of how to elicit good change within the existing urban rockaway community?

i hear ya, psycho, in terms of not exploiting rs&b and having the integrity to be present to.. well, represent. a friend of mine is back in rockaway after being in hawaii for maybe 12yrs and he is thrilled to see the change. sure high risers suck, hipsters are annoying, lazy no show business are wack, but becoming an area ripe for a shift towards a safer place can't be a terrible thing. it's not like disney owns the boardwalk (yet) so why not direct the transformation. and again, a key way to do so has to involve working with the urban at-risk youth. it sounds lofty, but it's an inevitable task for someone to undertake. as hydroglide said, everybody pays the price.

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At the end of the day , all things being equal surfing is an individual sport , man VS nature .It may even be considered self centered or narcissistic in nature .
I'm not saying surfers aren't charitable , or generous or philanthropic , they are . The amount of paddles , parties , charities on here at any given month proves that point .
But ..., at the end of the day it boils down to man versus ocean ; thus making it an individual sport . Despite doing it with friends , lovers , friends who are lovers , and so on or in groups the individual onus of the surfer is to ride a wave , by herself .
This is not a team sport ,( although it's nice on a challenging day to have someone out there have your back ) and more often than not barring some major accident where fellow surfers save a guy ( which happens often ); requires you to both launch and beach yourself on your own .
Surfers , who get it , become life long surfers , watermen/women, distinguish themselves usually in a myriad of ways . Whether it charity , mentoring , rising to the occasion on the biggest or best days or just giving a wave .
Now , as for missing any boat and welcoming people into the community ?
I dont know , the way I see it surfing parallels the ocean which at times is generous and welcoming and other times stormy , tempestuous and demands respect . The symbiotic relationship between surfer and ocean can not be taught in one lesson , one summer or one festival.
Water seeks it's own level as does the surfing " community " .


The one thing that is different about surfing here in NYC as opposed to most anywhere in else is the sheer number of people that are either passing through the city or passing through the sport. What I mean by that is this: There's a lot of people who come here and try surfing on for size for a year or two, maybe more, sometimes less..and just move on to something else. Ask Steve at Boarders about the number of abandoned boards and lockers and he'll verify this. Then you add in the number of people who are either trying NYC itself on for size and/or choose to (or work forces them to) relocate, and you have a constantly changing landscape of people.


I was at the Rockaway Beach Surf Club meeting last night for a little while, and I looked around took stock - my guess last night was 50/50 - there were 50% of people just like me - lifers. Great people who love and care about the community deeply, are invested in the community, love surfing, and aren't leaving any time soon, if ever. The other 50%? My guess is a couple will become lifers, but most of them will move on in 3 years or less...to be replaced by another group of newcomers, some of who will come with fresh ideas and fresh energy and fresh contributions...and perhaps even stay for the long haul. But that's the transient nature (and indeed the history) of NYC, and especially the nature of our sport as it exists here in NYC. And there's nothing wrong with that...especially right now - because my sense is that event those that are destined to be transient to our neighborhood are still good, well intentioned people, and are looking to contribute and not just take.


wise words. but i plan to stay and try to earn that lifer badge. was quiet at the mtng cos i was soaking it all in, feeling the vibe of the group... which felt like a whole other kind of wave, as dorado illustrated. choppy with a few short rollers. i definitely see what seacliff is saying regarding the natural new york ebb & flow of people. however, that holds true in so many other new york niches i.e. food, music, entertainment, etc. while the transient nature of the concrete jungle can be a damper, the good part is that the city culture acts as one helluva sieve.


(board storage wars? i'm in.)

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bite, scratch, knee, elbow. get scrappy... and get the fark out.


#1: gouge the eyes. cos even the most doped up zombies will react to that.

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well, i was alluding to the "culture is not your friend" saying. i agree that subculture is totally fine when it's authentic, and self-aware i may add. the big problem with hipsters is that they don't realize they're manufactured by urban outfitters (conservative backers) and marc jacobs and zooey deschanel, aka the culture industry. - i believe that's what harry ballszac was referring to when he said it's about consumption.

there's a reason why the worst hipsters can't dance. they gots no soul.


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super helpful thread.


this is probably a knucklehead question but... as a 5foot 115lb lady who is still rockin' a 7'10.... do i need to especially work on weight distribution and forward force in addition to an immediate pop up? (if that makes any sense) or does my size not really matter as long as i get the mechanics of a power pop up?

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