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lots of folks also are teachers and public servants and whatnot, who pretty much spend the entire workday dealing with underserved youth.

northstreet, that's rad!

surfplusart.... not judging. just bringing it up. please do school and humble me with your efforts. and i am preeeetty sure you are not exactly welcoming of noobs or as you like to call them, trolls. consider this: noobs can do some good too! a la seacliff's statement re: transience. i am well aware of the awesome work and soul many of you have laid down. and yes this forum is a platform to share - um aloha? and stoke and experience and whatnot. but, i just wanted to speak the taboo cos someone had to. it's relevant right? since we are talking about community. so i'm bringing it up.


At the Rockaway Beach Surf Club meeting last night, Beth Singlehurst was talking about the photography contest she put together with local kids and disposable cameras - and the 'Art Show" premiere where the photographs were shown was at JScott and Lotus's place. The kids, their parents and so many of us had a GREAT evening. I believe this is exactly the kind of thing you're referring to and looking for - it's happening, and both the new guard and the old guard were present at the meeting last night working together and talking about making similar things happen going forward. All in all, a VERY good sign.

yup! got in contact and spoke w/ beth after the mtng. i plan to help and do as much as i can, and work on other things. i realize and respect there are existing good forces working out there. and i understand i'm not a local by any means so i must tread lightly. but maybe i just like firing people up. not trying to do anybody a favor or change the world. just moving the dialogue along. popcorn anyone?

seriously though, what's more off topic than bieber!?? c'mon surfplusart, i'm not presuming anything about you personally. let's virtually hug it out and you can yell at me to leave the virtual beach and i'll willfully do it cos i respect the same code you do and then we can get virtual tacos and discuss, virtually, who would you rather: rod stewart or barry manilow.

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lots of folks also are teachers and public servants and whatnot, who pretty much spend the entire workday dealing with underserved youth.

northstreet, that's rad!

surfplusart.... not judging. just bringing it up. please do school and humble me with your efforts. and i am preeeetty sure you are not exactly welcoming of noobs or as you like to call them, trolls. consider this: noobs can do some good too! a la seacliff's statement re: transience. i am well aware of the awesome work and soul many of you have laid down. and yes this forum is a platform to share - um aloha? and stoke and experience and whatnot. but, i just wanted to speak the taboo cos someone had to. it's relevant right? since we are talking about community. so i'm bringing it up.

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hg, you're totally right. and a comp lab funded by the concession stand sounds hip enough for the beardos to actually do. but i bet they'd provide ipads. i'm not holding my breath for anyone, surf motivated or not, to do something.

all i'm saying is surfers aren't the only locals who can benefit from good momentum and change. and that is a thought worth thinking about.

shoot, i wish i was around for paradise garage. i missed that cruise by a good 10-15yrs ha. and i wish i could reminisce with those who've been around the rock for those said outpost days. but as much as new yorkers love to hang on to nostalgia, change is inevitable. might as well surrender to it and maybe even guide it.

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i'm gonna get real kook and whippa snappa on everyone right now... but it's astonishing that all of this change of face talk is going on and nearly nobody presents ideas or even interest regarding underserved rockaway youth who don't surf or even swim, mainly from the projects. yes, it's a touchy subject and this may not be the platform to have that dialogue. and, i realize most of this forum's members are of a certain generation and therefore may not have the time/energy to invest in such brainstorming. (i'm sure those people are the first to verbalize their appreciation for the increased sense of safety.) however, if we are going to talk about the changing face of rockaway and discuss newcomers and hipsters and contests and businesses... what about talking about the sensitive issue and consider people who already live there - who aren't surfers but very well are still rockaway locals? we can joke about zombies and share frustrating sentiments about rapists and surfboard stealing cops. but with a new wave of surfers and residents and business people already coming in, can the dialogue shift from remedial to preventative measures? what i'm saying is... if you're so passionate about preserving your beach, why not think a few generations ahead and think of how to elicit good change within the existing urban rockaway community?

i hear ya, psycho, in terms of not exploiting rs&b and having the integrity to be present to.. well, represent. a friend of mine is back in rockaway after being in hawaii for maybe 12yrs and he is thrilled to see the change. sure high risers suck, hipsters are annoying, lazy no show business are wack, but becoming an area ripe for a shift towards a safer place can't be a terrible thing. it's not like disney owns the boardwalk (yet) so why not direct the transformation. and again, a key way to do so has to involve working with the urban at-risk youth. it sounds lofty, but it's an inevitable task for someone to undertake. as hydroglide said, everybody pays the price.

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At the end of the day , all things being equal surfing is an individual sport , man VS nature .It may even be considered self centered or narcissistic in nature .
I'm not saying surfers aren't charitable , or generous or philanthropic , they are . The amount of paddles , parties , charities on here at any given month proves that point .
But ..., at the end of the day it boils down to man versus ocean ; thus making it an individual sport . Despite doing it with friends , lovers , friends who are lovers , and so on or in groups the individual onus of the surfer is to ride a wave , by herself .
This is not a team sport ,( although it's nice on a challenging day to have someone out there have your back ) and more often than not barring some major accident where fellow surfers save a guy ( which happens often ); requires you to both launch and beach yourself on your own .
Surfers , who get it , become life long surfers , watermen/women, distinguish themselves usually in a myriad of ways . Whether it charity , mentoring , rising to the occasion on the biggest or best days or just giving a wave .
Now , as for missing any boat and welcoming people into the community ?
I dont know , the way I see it surfing parallels the ocean which at times is generous and welcoming and other times stormy , tempestuous and demands respect . The symbiotic relationship between surfer and ocean can not be taught in one lesson , one summer or one festival.
Water seeks it's own level as does the surfing " community " .


The one thing that is different about surfing here in NYC as opposed to most anywhere in else is the sheer number of people that are either passing through the city or passing through the sport. What I mean by that is this: There's a lot of people who come here and try surfing on for size for a year or two, maybe more, sometimes less..and just move on to something else. Ask Steve at Boarders about the number of abandoned boards and lockers and he'll verify this. Then you add in the number of people who are either trying NYC itself on for size and/or choose to (or work forces them to) relocate, and you have a constantly changing landscape of people.


I was at the Rockaway Beach Surf Club meeting last night for a little while, and I looked around took stock - my guess last night was 50/50 - there were 50% of people just like me - lifers. Great people who love and care about the community deeply, are invested in the community, love surfing, and aren't leaving any time soon, if ever. The other 50%? My guess is a couple will become lifers, but most of them will move on in 3 years or less...to be replaced by another group of newcomers, some of who will come with fresh ideas and fresh energy and fresh contributions...and perhaps even stay for the long haul. But that's the transient nature (and indeed the history) of NYC, and especially the nature of our sport as it exists here in NYC. And there's nothing wrong with that...especially right now - because my sense is that event those that are destined to be transient to our neighborhood are still good, well intentioned people, and are looking to contribute and not just take.


wise words. but i plan to stay and try to earn that lifer badge. was quiet at the mtng cos i was soaking it all in, feeling the vibe of the group... which felt like a whole other kind of wave, as dorado illustrated. choppy with a few short rollers. i definitely see what seacliff is saying regarding the natural new york ebb & flow of people. however, that holds true in so many other new york niches i.e. food, music, entertainment, etc. while the transient nature of the concrete jungle can be a damper, the good part is that the city culture acts as one helluva sieve.


(board storage wars? i'm in.)

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The NY NJ Surf Garden Center / Re: Blue Berries, fruit stoke
« on: June 19, 2012, 02:56:32 PM »
Nice work onefin/snaggle. I find blueberries to be very resilient plants, will grow in almost anything. When it comes to raspberry, strawberry, and blueberry, I like to mix the onetime bloomers with the everbearing. That way you get the flavor of the one hit wonder, with the longevity of the everbloomers. I know its cheating but it beats store bought stuff by a longshot. One variety of everblooming blueberry that i want to try is the 'blue drop', kind of new to the trade.

that ain't cheating. that's permaculture swag.

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The Rockaway to Long Beach Surf Connection / Re: Rockabus
« on: June 16, 2012, 10:07:36 AM »
while i understand and agree with crabclaw and many of those who empathize with his argument, i gotta go with crackie and the kook on this. it's just people being people. being smug but not contributing an active solution isn't much better than being a consumerist fauxhemian hipster taco poser. cos at the end of the day, you're still an angry dude filling the role of that angry dude. just sayin'. however if you have some real innovative ideas, then please do pray tell.

on another note, crackie and the kook also sounds like a good band!

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The Rockaway to Long Beach Surf Connection / Re: Rockabus
« on: June 15, 2012, 09:33:40 PM »
so what's the solution to preventing disturbing violent attacks blocks away from a precinct and stopping fauxhemian consumerist hipsters who exploit neighborhoods?

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better to leave with a nice buzz. always have to consider energy for what may come next ;)

that said, i've been pushing myself an hour longer than i should be. i think it's a gym rat mentality. a basketball court does not compare to the ocean. but somehow... i always forget this. "quality over quantity" eh?

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then read on...

my other half is in an off-broadway children's musical and has two unclaimed comp tickets for june. if you're interested, pm me. there may be two comp tix available for july as well.

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ALL BACON EVERYTHING

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bite, scratch, knee, elbow. get scrappy... and get the fark out.


#1: gouge the eyes. cos even the most doped up zombies will react to that.

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