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In the Wake of Sandy => The Recovery Room => Topic started by: Årne Longbörgenssen on May 13, 2013, 11:07:51 AM

Title: West End Beach Walls ?
Post by: Årne Longbörgenssen on May 13, 2013, 11:07:51 AM
looks like they're putting soldier pile retaining walls from 149 to 126, with galvanized steel piles and preformed cement slabs.

i.e.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-6mVAK2ig6vU/T-j1T_RwBOI/AAAAAAAAAX4/-YICXTdVSpY/s1600/Soldier+1.jpg)

I've seen these on highways and such but never as a beach wall. anybody...like someone with army engineering experience...have any idea how these things do in the surf ? seems like they're engineered to have a static load backfilled on one side. what happens when the whole thing is submerged in a strong current flowing against the direction of the retaining load ?

are they temporary or permanent ?

also, anything going on top ? I kinda fear they're gonna look like look like crap, too.

Title: Re: West End Beach Walls ?
Post by: seb on May 13, 2013, 11:27:58 AM
Modern Death Sticks, sick.
Title: Re: West End Beach Walls ?
Post by: loggerhead on May 13, 2013, 12:30:05 PM
erosion.  erosion  erosion.  but thats ok because we have the ACOE here to dump all the sand needed. its a sad time on the south shore of long island. the protect me mentality is going to cause more harm than good in the long run. people need to realize that nothing can be done to stop water from coming. it finds its way. THE BIGGEST problem about these walls though is this: when another storm like sandy comes the sand will be built up on the south side of these walls, then the water will take said sand down the beach and out to sea. What everyone needs to realize is the fact that the sand was able to flow north with the water and settle in our streets was the biggest blessing the city had, we were able to pick it up, sift it and put it back on our beach. Remember mount sandy that was on the superblock, now imagine all of that sand taken out to sea, now picture our beaches without that sand. HORRIBLE right. i reached out to surfrider and unfortunately most of the central li chapters board live here in LB, so their interests are skewed and not willing to do anything. Like i said its a bad time on the south shore
Title: Re: West End Beach Walls ?
Post by: RayG on May 13, 2013, 12:33:21 PM
For a short horrible minute, I had the Pet Shop Boys going on in my head...
Title: West End Beach Walls ?
Post by: Bacon on May 13, 2013, 03:02:23 PM
For a short horrible minute, I had the Pet Shop Boys going on in my head...

Gods damn you for putting that in my head! 😭

Title: Re: West End Beach Walls ?
Post by: loggerhead on May 13, 2013, 04:41:02 PM
I am hoping that my sarcasm translated in my previous post if not, I HATE THE ACOE and ALL the PLANS THEY HAVE FOR LONG BEACH.
Title: West End Beach Walls ?
Post by: Bacon on May 13, 2013, 05:37:37 PM
I think moving to higher ground (rather than making higher ground) is the only permanent fix.

Everyone move now. I'll catch up soon.
Title: Re: West End Beach Walls ?
Post by: Årne Longbörgenssen on May 13, 2013, 05:46:30 PM
I think moving to higher ground (rather than making higher ground) is the only permanent fix.

Everyone move now. I'll catch up soon.


sarcastic asshole. don't you know that home-owning is a privilege, not a right ? mother nature is telling you to leave. Just go already. You just werent blessed enough to have your home demolished like those privileged oceanfront home-owners.
Title: Re: West End Beach Walls ?
Post by: the Kook on May 13, 2013, 05:52:47 PM
I think moving to higher ground (rather than making higher ground) is the only permanent fix.

Everyone move now. I'll catch up soon.

And I will help you move, when the time comes.
Title: West End Beach Walls ?
Post by: Bacon on May 13, 2013, 06:14:56 PM
Sarcasm was there indeed, but ONLY in the grumble, grumble, i hate crowds sense.

The simple fact is that sand hills and even reinforced concrete walls (Monmouth) did not keep the sea back.

We're in the process of house shopping and the market dictates that my fears are not just mine. Houses with street level floors are a steal. With Sandy in our hindsight, we're not settling for anything less than a first floor 10-12 feet above street level. Obviously, this is an almost impossible find.

Again, hindsight is 20/20. I wish the government would step in with a massive house/land raise. Paper walls won't hold the sea back, but a raising the "barrier" peninsula as a whole will (except at the lowest point: see the mega breach that is now West Hampton Dunes Village).
Title: West End Beach Walls ?
Post by: Bacon on May 13, 2013, 06:16:01 PM
I think moving to higher ground (rather than making higher ground) is the only permanent fix.

Everyone move now. I'll catch up soon.

And I will help you move, when the time comes.

Thanks, Kook! We're eyeing your street. 😉
Title: Re: West End Beach Walls ?
Post by: Årne Longbörgenssen on May 13, 2013, 08:59:29 PM
Sarcasm was there indeed, but ONLY in the grumble, grumble, i hate crowds sense.

The simple fact is that sand hills and even reinforced concrete walls (Monmouth) did not keep the sea back.

We're in the process of house shopping and the market dictates that my fears are not just mine. Houses with street level floors are a steal. With Sandy in our hindsight, we're not settling for anything less than a first floor 10-12 feet above street level. Obviously, this is an almost impossible find.

Again, hindsight is 20/20. I wish the government would step in with a massive house/land raise. Paper walls won't hold the sea back, but a raising the "barrier" peninsula as a whole will (except at the lowest point: see the mega breach that is now West Hampton Dunes Village).


i hear people talking about the seawalls keeping the sea out and i just shake my head. i thinks its conceivable that some kind of wall can protect the first couple of houses on the beach from wave velocity damage, but unless they raise the peninsula, or make it into a giant bathtub i.e. put huge bay wall in (even then, the water will just come up the storm sewers) nothings gonna keep  a sandy size storm surge off the streets.
Title: Re: West End Beach Walls ?
Post by: the Kook on May 13, 2013, 10:16:28 PM
I think moving to higher ground (rather than making higher ground) is the only permanent fix.

Everyone move now. I'll catch up soon.

And I will help you move, when the time comes.

Thanks, Kook! We're eyeing your street. 😉
which house?
Title: Re: West End Beach Walls ?
Post by: nydubstar on May 14, 2013, 07:29:32 PM
"I HATE THE ACOE and ALL the PLANS THEY HAVE FOR LONG BEACH."


are you implying there are plans for these types of walls in long beach?
Title: Re: West End Beach Walls ?
Post by: SeaCliff on May 14, 2013, 07:42:47 PM
"I HATE THE ACOE and ALL the PLANS THEY HAVE FOR LONG BEACH."


are you implying there are plans for these types of walls in long beach?


No such plans exist for LB that I'm aware of, dubs.
Title: Re: West End Beach Walls ?
Post by: nydubstar on May 14, 2013, 08:06:37 PM
thanks, I was wondering if I missed something...perhaps loggerhead confused "west end" with the west end in long beach


as far as I am aware, there in currently nothing in any LB plans that is terribly disruptive, save for the absence of any viable plan for the bay side...please update / correct me if I am missing a planned sea wall or massive jetty-burial pumping program or the like


thanks
Title: Re: West End Beach Walls ?
Post by: loggerhead on May 15, 2013, 06:54:06 AM
mistook west end for west end in LB. doesnt change anything though.

Title: Re: West End Beach Walls ?
Post by: ChopChaser on May 17, 2013, 05:33:11 PM
Arne that photo looks like Beirut.