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Title: Favorite high performance board for NY surf?
Post by: glasspeak on November 11, 2016, 09:31:48 AM
I've got a 5'10 GH twin keel. It's the ultimate one-board quiver (for me). I've recently started surfing more again, in the best shape of my life, and looking to add another, more high performance board that's fairly easy to paddle and also lets me be more aggressive once I'm up. Top-to-bottom, driving off the rail, etc.If it were you, what board would be your #2?If it matters, I'm 5'9 160.Appreciate all input!
Title: Re: Favorite high performance board for NY surf?
Post by: uncutproducts on November 11, 2016, 10:49:27 AM
I'm not in the best shape of my life, but need something similar. I have a 5'5 twin keel that's my go to and want something more performance based. Been thinking of just going to Bunger and having Squeak shape me something based on my size and feedback, his boards seem to be magic for the waters around here.
Title: Re: Favorite high performance board for NY surf?
Post by: BltByKrmn on November 11, 2016, 12:37:42 PM
I've had my last 2 boards make by Drew at Inspired (he makes all of the Lost C3 and Blackdart boards), really happy with both of them.


The 5'10" Deuces Wild thumb tail he made me has more low end range than maybe you're looking for, but this has quickly become my go to in everything short of hero waves.


(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff74/toc1616/DWRP_09-19-16.jpg)
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff74/toc1616/DWRP_Dims_09-19-16.jpg)


I also had him make me his version of a Lost Mini Driver, it's magic when the conditions are good.




(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff74/toc1616/Wizard_Dims.jpg)


(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff74/toc1616/Wizard_Rocker.jpg)








Title: Re: Favorite high performance board for NY surf?
Post by: The Lone Surfer on November 11, 2016, 01:32:38 PM
Everyone over volumes here. Just keep the volume low, rails thin, and board narrow. For you, I would think 25 liters is good if you're in shape.
Title: Re: Favorite high performance board for NY surf?
Post by: glasspeak on November 11, 2016, 04:00:51 PM
appreciate all the input here!
Title: Re: Favorite high performance board for NY surf?
Post by: BltByKrmn on November 11, 2016, 04:52:48 PM
Everyone over volumes here. Just keep the volume low, rails thin, and board narrow. For you, I would think 25 liters is good if you're in shape.

If he's on a 5'10" twin right now, 25l is not going to cut it for him. Will he get some waves in uncrowded, no wind, hero waves? Sure, but otherwise he's going to spend more time missing waves or being out paddled if he's currently riding a board that's probably 35l.
Title: Re: Favorite high performance board for NY surf?
Post by: Kdropin on November 11, 2016, 05:24:45 PM
I think that's the point ;)  lol

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Title: Re: Favorite high performance board for NY surf?
Post by: The Lone Surfer on November 11, 2016, 06:55:08 PM
He's talking about in good waves. Stick to the fish for mushy days, but on good days 25-27 liters is what competent surfers on performance boards ride. Don't forget, he said he's only 160.
Title: Re: Favorite high performance board for NY surf?
Post by: Kdropin on November 11, 2016, 07:08:11 PM
I guess this guy's slater .. 25 is about what he rides.. He's over 40 though so he's probably voluming up nowadays.. ha

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Title: Re: Favorite high performance board for NY surf?
Post by: The Lone Surfer on November 11, 2016, 07:30:19 PM
Don't have to be slater to ride 25-27 liter boards.
Title: Re: Favorite high performance board for NY surf?
Post by: Kdropin on November 11, 2016, 08:36:40 PM
Very true.. I ride 27 and change but will up it on my next one Going to 25 would be a huge reach imo..  If he's asking for a lot of advice on here I doubt we're talking on the advanced category..  Still think 25 is a reach..  Where does that put him on.. Lost guild factor? .. That's a pretty good scale? Probably where the pros are if not less

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Title: Re: Favorite high performance board for NY surf?
Post by: glasspeak on November 11, 2016, 10:59:35 PM
im 32 and definitely would not call myself advanced; probably more along the lines of strong intermediate. and not the best paddler either :) It's probably a little smart for me to go more volume than less, assuming that wearing a westuit most days will beef me up a bit.




Title: Re: Favorite high performance board for NY surf?
Post by: surfvaulter on November 12, 2016, 11:33:48 AM
(https://mc.yandex.ru/watch/36205910)


5'10 by 19.75 by 2.38.31 liters.  anytime its anything over waist hi this is my everyday board.  really like the swallow tail and how direct and bitey it is. still  not at the skill level that i need a tight pulled in nose plus im lazy so the full nose is nice. (https://mc.yandex.ru/watch/36205910)

(https://mc.yandex.ru/watch/36205910)
Title: Re: Favorite high performance board for NY surf?
Post by: Smiley's people on November 12, 2016, 06:15:26 PM
23-24 liters MAX for your. Volume is a myth, the Atlantic ocean has more salinity which means you are more bouyant.
Title: Re: Favorite high performance board for NY surf?
Post by: SeaCliff on November 13, 2016, 01:51:23 PM

Your question specifically speaks to high performance board selection, but it begs the bigger question of board selection overall - so bear with me while I veer a bit off topic before coming back to your specific question.

I'm not sure I ever surf a true, old school "high performance" board anymore, perhaps because I'm not and probably never have been a "high performance" surfer. I'm an average surfer who's solidly in the volume camp these days, because that's what lets me catch waves. Even my boards for bigger days are built with a little more volume than traditional "high performance" boards, simply to allow me a bit more paddling speed. Similarly, my boards for the smaller, punchier days have (sometimes much) more volume than a traditional "high performance" board - mostly again in recognition that both my paddling speed and yes, my reflexes, are not what they once were. But I'm ok with all of this - I'm not looking to challenge John John anytime soon, or for that matter even the latest generation of local talent, great kids like Logan Kamen and Bailey Reidy and Keaton Fortney in Jersey or some of the amazing (very!) young talent on Long Island like Jack Richards, Owen O'Donnell and CJ Mangio (and his little brother Jake!). I'm simply looking to catch waves and have fun, and boards with more volume (that most would consider less "high performance") do that for me.


So here's my advice, and please note that I'm a guy that owns (literally) 52 surfboards: Don't worry about volume, and worry even less about the labels like "high performance". Base your quiver decisions and what board you grab on COMFORT.


Our conditions basically go one of four ways: Small to near flat; waist to chest/head relatively softer windswell; waist to head punchier groundswell; and overhead groundswell. For each of these condition types, find ONE board (or maybe two or three  ::) )that you are COMFORTABLE on. Don't worry what the volume number is and definitely don't let yourself get caught up in what you think the number SHOULD be. It doesn't matter. If you're not comfortable on the board in the conditions you're surfing, you will miss waves, and on the better days even worse: you won't go for and/or make waves that you otherwise should or could. Conversely, the more comfortable you are, the more confidence you will have to take a shot on waves you might have otherwise let pass on the bigger days, and the more waves you will catch on the smaller days.


In hindsight, I can't tell you how many sessions in my life I wish I could have back because I chose and took out the board I talked myself thinking I was supposed to choose, as opposed to the board that I knew, deep down, I would be most comfortable on. Yeah, sure, sometimes I was trying to push myself by taking a chippier board or conversely groveling on a thruster in flat conditions unnecessarily - I'm ok with that and I'm sure I will continue to do so, but at BEST, I should have shown up at the beach with a viable option when my first "choice" clearly wasn't working for the current conditions.


Getting back to your specific question, though, it sounds like you have a decent all around board for the smaller and softer days, the conditions we encounter (unfortunately) most often. Based on your description of yourself and what you're looking to do, if I were you and wanted to pick something for the somewhat bigger and punchier days, say up to head high and mayyyybe slightly more, and you told me I could only pick one board, I might consider a Neck Beard, or something similar, probably in the 5'8" range. I'm sure it's a couple inches longer with width and volume numbers higher than what others would recommend, but that would be my preference/recommendation.


http://www.cisurfboards.com/board/the-neck-beard/ (http://www.cisurfboards.com/board/the-neck-beard/)



Title: Re: Favorite high performance board for NY surf?
Post by: glasspeak on November 14, 2016, 01:06:41 PM
Thanks SeaCliff, awesome info in there. I feel like I'm always on the right board with my GH twin, from a paddling and buoyancy perspective. It's just that once I'm up, I wish I could be more aggressive and vertical. which is certainly not what a fish is meant for, even though some very skilled surfers can make it happen. It seems like in general you just sacrifice a little of one thing for the other.


The neckbeard and new flyer both look great from a template standpoint.
Title: Re: Favorite high performance board for NY surf?
Post by: Kyle on November 14, 2016, 03:10:10 PM
Step a bit back on the GH. And thank me later.

Oh and get another board. The answer is always to get another board...
Title: Re: Favorite high performance board for NY surf?
Post by: Mr. Surfermeister on November 19, 2016, 02:36:12 PM
SeaCliff - that was a fantastic post. You can always tell who SeaCliff is on the beach because he brings his entire quiver every time he surfs - there will never be another session he wishes he could have back...


glasspeak - don't know if you got a board yet, but there's a HyptoKrypto in the for sale that looks like a great deal if you don't mind the ding on the bottom. Looks like perfect size for you as well...


Title: Re: Favorite high performance board for NY surf?
Post by: Kyle on November 19, 2016, 05:48:25 PM
Get the HK!
Title: Re: Favorite high performance board for NY surf?
Post by: onefinookas on November 20, 2016, 07:54:56 AM
Please allow me to say Seacliff is constantly on the wrong board. He has at least 15 logs and refuses to ride most of them. hey Seacliff bring a step up, here he comes sMe old birch quad.  ;D I half kid.
That said the most high performance surfboard for new York is what ever you normally ride and a plane ticket to somewhere with surf for a couple of weeks, your everyday sled will feel like a rocketship
Title: Re: Favorite high performance board for NY surf?
Post by: PSYCHO on November 27, 2016, 10:32:32 PM
If your looking for a long board, I cannot praise my high performance Becker 9'3 Briggs model. nothing works like my boards for the east coast. works on small summer surf but gets me in some barrels many might not come out of. love tat thing.
Title: Re: Favorite high performance board for NY surf?
Post by: SeaCliff on November 28, 2016, 09:25:41 PM
Please allow me to say Seacliff is constantly on the wrong board.



Yep. Story of my life.  ::)
Title: Re: Favorite high performance board for NY surf?
Post by: Crackie Onassis on November 29, 2016, 11:54:29 AM
That CI/CB collaboration on the Bonzer 5 looks promising.
Title: Re: Favorite high performance board for NY surf?
Post by: adamlesper on November 30, 2016, 09:07:27 AM

This interview below with Pyzel is helpful to this discussion, especially the volume in liters question.  Rocker (to me) is as important and maybe more important, or at least more noticeable than volume. I can get down to the low 30's/high 20's without giving up much as long as there isn't much rocker.   

http://beachgrit.com/2016/11/some-very-good-advice-from-jon-pyzel/ (http://beachgrit.com/2016/11/some-very-good-advice-from-jon-pyzel/)