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Re: Parks Dept./Surfing Beaches/Etc.
« Reply #30 on: June 19, 2007, 04:30:23 PM »
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  • and this is from the NYC admin code Title 18

     
     
          18-108.1  Prohibitions  on  beaches.  a.  For  the purposes of this
      section, the following terms shall have the following meanings:
        (1) "All terrain vehicle"  or  "ATV"  shall  mean  any  self-propelled
      vehicle  which  is  manufactured  for  sale  for  operation primarily on
      off-highway trails or in off-highway competitions and only  incidentally
      operated  on  public highways provided that such vehicle does not exceed
      sixty inches  in  width,  or  eight  hundred  pounds  dry  weight.  This
      definition  shall  not  include  a  "snowmobile" or other self-propelled
      vehicles manufactured for off-highway use which utilize an endless  belt
      tread.
        (2)  "Authorized emergency vehicle" shall mean every ambulance, police
      vehicle or bicycle, correction  vehicle,  fire  vehicle,  civil  defense
      emergency  vehicle,  emergency  ambulance service vehicle, environmental
      emergency  response  vehicle,  sanitation  patrol   vehicle,   hazardous
      materials  emergency  vehicle and ordnance disposal vehicle of the armed
      forces of the United States.
        (3) "Beach" shall mean  land  along  the  shores  of  an  ocean,  bay,
      estuary,  inlet  or  river  of  New York City landward from the mean low
      water line extending contiguously to the place where there is a distinct
      difference in topography which may be  demarcated  by  the  furthest  of
      either (i) a vegetation line; (ii) an artifically-made feature generally
      parallel  to  the  ocean, bay, estuary, inlet or river, such as, but not
      limited to, a retaining structure, seawall, bulkhead,  parking  area  or
      road,  except  that  land  that  extends  under an elevated boardwalk is
      considered to be a part of the beach; or (iii) the landward toe  of  the
      dune, which is furthest from the ocean, bay, estuary, inlet or river and
      twenty-five feet landward from that point.
        (4)  "Dune"  shall mean a natural or artifically-made ridge or hill of
      vegetated or drifting windblown soil, the principal component  of  which
      is  sand,  that  lies  generally  parallel to and landward of the shore.
      However, a dune shall not mean a small mound of  loose,  windblown  sand
      found on a park, road or structure.
        (5)  "Motor vehicle" shall mean any vehicle designed to be operated or
      driven upon a public highway which is propelled by any power other  than
      muscular power, except (i) electrically-driven mobility devices operated
      or  driven  by  a person with a disability, (ii) vehicles which run only
      upon  rails  or  tracks,  (iii)  snowmobiles  as  defined   in   article
      forty-seven  of  the  vehicle  and  traffic  law,  and  (iv) all terrain
      vehicles as defined in article forty-eight-B of the vehicle and  traffic
      law.
        (6)  "Motorcycle" shall mean any motor vehicle having a seat or saddle
      for the use of the rider and designed to travel on not more  than  three
      wheels in contact with the ground, but excluding a tractor.
        (7)  "Owner" shall mean a person, other than a lien holder, having the
      property in or title to a vehicle or vessel. The term includes a  person
      entitled  to  the use and possession of a vehicle or vessel subject to a
      security interest in another person and  also  includes  any  lessee  or
      bailee  of  a  motor vehicle or vessel having the exclusive use thereof,
      under a lease or otherwise, for a period greater than thirty days.
        (8) "Operator" shall mean  any  person  who  uses  a  motorcycle,  all
      terrain vehicle, snowmobile or motor vehicle.
        (9)  "Snowmobile"  shall  mean any self-propelled vehicle designed for
      travel on snow or ice, steered by skis or runners and supported in whole
      or in part by one or more skis, belts or cleats.
        (10) "Toe" shall mean the lowest point on a slope of a dune.
        b. No unauthorized person may  operate  any  motorcycle,  all  terrain
      vehicle,  snowmobile  or motor vehicle on a beach under the jurisdiction
      of the commissioner. An authorized person shall  include  (1)  a  person


      operating  a motorcycle, an all terrain vehicle, a snowmobile or a motor
      vehicle in accordance with a permit issued pursuant to  subdivision  (g)
      of this section; and (2) a department employee engaged in the proper and
      authorized  performance  of  his or her assigned duties, a member of the
      police department, or an operator of  an  authorized  emergency  vehicle
      engaged  in the proper and authorized performance of his or her assigned
      duties.
        c. (1) A person who violates subdivision (b) of this section shall  be
      guilty  of  a  misdemeanor  punishable  by  not  more  than  ninety days
      imprisonment or by a fine of not more than one thousand  dollars  or  by
      both  such  fine  and  imprisonment.  Notwithstanding  the provisions of
      paragraph nine of subdivision (a) of section five  hundred  thirty-three
      of  the  New  York  city charter, such person shall also be liable for a
      civil penalty of not less than five hundred dollars nor  more  than  one
      thousand  dollars  which  may  be  recovered  in a proceeding before the
      environmental control  board.  (2)  Where  the  operator  is  less  than
      fourteen  years  of  age, a notice of violation of this section shall be
      personally served upon such operator's parent or guardian in  accordance
      with  the  civil  practice law and rules. Where the operator is fourteen
      years of age or over, but less than eighteen years of age, a  notice  of
      violation  of this section shall be personally served upon such operator
      and his or her parent or guardian in accordance with the civil  practice
      law  and  rules.  (3)  Notwithstanding the provisions of any other local
      law, where a summons or a notice of violation is issued for a  violation
      of  subdivision  (b),  an  authorized  designee of the commissioner or a
      member of the police department may seize and  impound  the  motorcycle,
      all terrain vehicle, snowmobile or motor vehicle.
        d.  A  motorcycle,  all  terrain  vehicle, snowmobile or motor vehicle
      seized and impounded pursuant to this section shall be released  to  the
      owner  or  other  person lawfully entitled to possession upon payment of
      the costs of removal and storage as  set  forth  in  the  rules  of  the
      department and proof of payment of any fine or civil penalty imposed for
      the  violation  or,  if a proceeding in connection with the violation is
      pending before a court or the  environmental  control  board,  upon  the
      posting of a bond or other form of security acceptable to the department
      in an amount which will secure the payment of such costs and any fine or
      civil  penalty which may be imposed for the violation. If a court or the
      environmental control board finds in favor of the respondent, the  owner
      shall be entitled forthwith to possession of the motorcycle, all terrain
      vehicle,  snowmobile  or  motor vehicle without charge and to the extent
      that any amount has been previously paid for release of the  motorcycle,
      all  terrain  vehicle, snowmobile or motor vehicle, such amount shall be
      refunded.
        e. The owner of a motorcycle, all terrain vehicle, snowmobile or motor
      vehicle shall be given the opportunity for a post seizure hearing within
      five business days before the environmental control board regarding  the
      seizure.  The  environmental  control board shall render a determination
      within three business days after the conclusion of  the  hearing.  Where
      the  environmental  control  board finds that there was no basis for the
      seizure, the owner shall be entitled  forthwith  to  possession  of  the
      motorcycle,  all  terrain  vehicle,  snowmobile or motor vehicle without
      charge and to the extent that any amount has been  previously  paid  for
      release  of  the  motorcycle,  all  terrain vehicle, snowmobile or motor
      vehicle, such amount shall be refunded.
        f. Upon the seizure of a motorcycle, all terrain  vehicle,  snowmobile
      or  motor  vehicle pursuant to this section, the operator shall be given
      written notice of the procedure for redemption of  the  motorcycle,  all
      terrain  vehicle,  snowmobile  or  motor  vehicle  and the procedure for


      requesting a post seizure hearing. Where the operator is not  the  owner
      thereof,  such  notice  provided  to  the operator shall be deemed to be
      notice  to  the  owner.  Where  the  motorcycle,  all  terrain  vehicle,
      snowmobile  or  motor  vehicle is registered pursuant to the vehicle and
      traffic law, such notice shall also be mailed to the  registered  owner.
      Where  the  operator  is less than eighteen years old, such notice shall
      also be either personally served upon the operator's parent or  guardian
      or  mailed  to the operator's parent or guardian if the name and address
      of such person is reasonably ascertainable.
        g. The commissioner shall have the right to issue a permit to  operate
      a  motorcycle, all terrain vehicle, snowmobile or motor vehicle upon any
      beach for a special purpose, including but not limited to, the recording
      or filming of audio, video or other electronic media.
        h. The provisions of this section shall be enforced by  an  authorized
      designee of the commissioner or by a member of the police department.
        i.  The  commissioner,  in  consultation with the police commissioner,
      shall promulgate such rules as are  necessary,  (1)  to  set  forth  the
      procedures  which  must be followed regarding the seizure and release of
      any  motorcycle,  all  terrain  vehicle,  snowmobile  or  motor  vehicle
      pursuant  to  subdivision (c) of this section; (2) to establish the time
      within which a motorcycle, all  terrain  vehicle,  snowmobile  or  motor
      vehicle  which  is  not  redeemed  shall  be  deemed  abandoned, and the
      procedures for subsequent disposal; and (3) to  provide  for  reasonable
      fees for the transportation and storage of such vehicles.


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    Re: Parks Dept./Surfing Beaches/Etc.
    « Reply #31 on: June 19, 2007, 04:31:08 PM »
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  • Boating and water sports are defined differently than surfing.

    You should focus on this:
    Effective Date:  06/23/2004
    Title: Section 6-2.2 - Definitions

    6-2.2 Definitions. (a) Bathing beach shall mean a bathing place, together with any buildings and appurtenances, and the water and land areas used in connection therewith, at a pond, lake, stream or other body of fresh or salt water which is used for bathing or swimming with the express or implied permission or consent of the owner or lessee of the premises or which is operated for a fee or any other consideration or which is openly advertised as a place for bathing or swimming.


    (d) Bathing shall mean to become partially or totally immersed in water and shall include swimming, wading and diving, but shall exclude fishing, scuba diving and surfboarding.


    There is also a regulation that limits the number of bathers per area, per lifeguard, so technically on those hot summer days when a thousand (exaggerated) people are on 1 beach, the city is in violation of the State Health Code.

    Here it is:
    http://w3.health.state.ny.us/dbspace/NYCRR10.nsf/56cf2e25d626f9f785256538006c3ed7/8525652c00680c3e8525653000661b07?OpenDocument&Highlight=0,bather

    http://www.health.state.ny.us/nysdoh/phforum/nycrr10.htm
    « Last Edit: June 19, 2007, 04:36:36 PM by 1s »

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    Re: Parks Dept./Surfing Beaches/Etc.
    « Reply #32 on: June 19, 2007, 04:42:48 PM »
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  • thanks - good stuff!

    I'm just going to post some more while i'm here.  People can sift and sort at their leisure.

          4-104  Title  to  certain public beaches; limitations thereon.   a.
      Title acquired or to be acquired by the city to any uplands,  filled  in
      lands,  lands  under  water,  estates,  rights,  easements, interests or
      privileges for public beaches on the Atlantic ocean from the westernmost
      point of Coney Island to the westerly line of Beach  Second  street,  in
      the  borough of Queens, and on the lower New York bay from the southerly
      line of the United States reservation Fort Wadsworth  to  the  northerly
      line  of  the  United States reservation Miller Field, in the borough of
      Richmond, in each and every case shall be a title in fee  in  trust  for
      the  use  of  the  public  to pass and repass over and along such public
      beach and beaches in the same manner as public  beaches  ordinarily  are
      used.  The  owners  of  property abutting on the inland side of any such
      public beach or beaches shall possess easements of light, air and access
      over, along and across such public beach  or  beaches  to  the  Atlantic
      ocean  and to the lower New York bay, as the case may be, and a frontage
      on  and  access  to  such  public  beaches,  streets,  parks,   avenues,
      boulevards,  promenades,  walks  and boardwalks as may be authorized and
      constructed within the same.

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    Re: Parks Dept./Surfing Beaches/Etc.
    « Reply #33 on: June 19, 2007, 04:44:15 PM »
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  •       18-108 Public beaches; jurisdiction. All public beaches laid out on
      the map or plan of the city shall  be  under  the  jurisdiction  of  the
      commissioner.  The  commissioner  shall also have charge of the care and
      maintenance thereof and shall prominently  post  each  beach  as  having
      "polluted waters not recommended for bathing" as periodically determined
      by the commissioner of health.

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    « Reply #34 on: June 19, 2007, 04:44:55 PM »
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  •       18-110  Public beaches; life-saving apparatus. The commissioner may
      furnish,  erect  and  maintain  on  any  public  beach  any  life-saving
      apparatus,  appliances  and paraphernalia, for the protection and safety
      of bathers which any law,  rule  or  regulation  now  or  hereafter  may
      require  keepers of bathing establishments along the seashore to furnish
      and maintain. During such period as the commissioner shall  furnish  and
      maintain  the  same,  the  duty of keepers of bathing establishments on,
      near or along the inshore line of any such public beach to do  so  shall
      be  suspended.  If for any period the commissioner shall not furnish and
      maintain  the  same  such  commissioner  shall,  under  such  rules  and
      regulations  as  he or she may establish therefor, issue permits to such
      keepers to furnish, erect and maintain the same.

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    Re: Parks Dept./Surfing Beaches/Etc.
    « Reply #35 on: June 19, 2007, 04:46:20 PM »
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  • Wow this is like the boston tea party but like in Rockaway and without the tea and costumes and stuff.   Go get em - you have to fight for your right to party.

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    Re: Parks Dept./Surfing Beaches/Etc.
    « Reply #36 on: June 19, 2007, 04:58:04 PM »
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  • wait... no costumes?
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    Re: Parks Dept./Surfing Beaches/Etc.
    « Reply #37 on: June 19, 2007, 05:03:42 PM »
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  • wow, great stuff - not you vicky
    New t-shirts available, check em out at
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    « Reply #38 on: June 19, 2007, 05:13:10 PM »
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  • please note nycwo that they define beach as the "land  along  the  shores  of  an  ocean,  bay, estuary,  inlet  or  river  of  New York City landward from the mean low water line extending contiguously to the place..."

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    « Reply #39 on: June 19, 2007, 05:16:17 PM »
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  • yes, I read that. I think I was going on and applying NJ law that a friend (of a lawyer) had once mentioned to me. I'm always greatful to find out where I am wrong.
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    Re: Parks Dept./Surfing Beaches/Etc.
    « Reply #41 on: June 19, 2007, 06:41:00 PM »
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    This thread was not meant to provoke a racial riot amongst surfers. My point was that maybe, just maybe, the Parkies live in neighborhoods where the type of people they see on the beach breaking rules remind them of the type of people that shoot up people on their streets, in their neighborhoods, so maybe they're afraid to give tickets to certain types of people for fear of getting stabbed/beat up/shot/confronted. Maybe they feel more comfortable giving a summons to someone who won't stab/shoot/beat up/confront them.

    Sometimes police like to ticket the well dressed, cooperative trouble maker versus the 15yr. old, pants off his ass, hip hopper because it's safer, white or black (lets not forget about all the other colors out there).

    I don't think this thread is provoking a racial riot at all. Interesting that you bring up the words "race" and "riot" and the connotations the words have denoted in recent historical events. It wreaks of  race-mongering; fear and loathing and of hate. It speaks to a terror of merit and equality.  

    It just comes off as race baiting at its core. It's you, it's who you are. I accept that. In your eyes, from what I read in your post, you can only see death and destruction "stabbing", "Shooting" criminality when it comes to black people and "others" It seems so limited it me but I have to accept that, the same way I have to accept some of the valid critiques of young people of color, and how they have limited themselves to the roles the "Greater" society has imposed/inflicted on them.

    Clearly the problems with the parkies, from my perspective doesn't have anything to do with race. It has to do with a disposable, inexpensive, reserve labor force that can be called in to fill a space for x amount of hours a day, so that the city can limit its liability in legal cases.

    I give ZERO credibility to anyone who feels they are being picked on when "others" are not just because they are white. I think perpetuating that is criminal; not just because that has been used by the White Power Movement to make gains in the literal separation of the "races" but also because it creates a chasm in the countless relationships that have already been built by different people.  A sort of racial C0ck blocking.