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Offline skSURF

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Re: GAS
« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2005, 11:12:52 AM »
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  • I'm not trying to defend Bush just point out that this is a lot bigger then him.While I agree his policies have never been anything but oil friendly they could have hardly effected prices in such a way.

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    Re: GAS
    « Reply #16 on: August 22, 2005, 11:29:54 AM »
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  • As we all know, we need to end our dependence on foreign oil. We need to make an effort to have more fuel efficient cars. The new energy bill does neither. I don't get it. OUr enemies are middle eastern terrorists. Yet we just give our enemies billions and billions of $$$ by buying their oil.



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    Re: GAS
    « Reply #17 on: August 22, 2005, 07:55:19 PM »
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  • montauk its 3$ and higher

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    Re: GAS
    « Reply #18 on: August 23, 2005, 12:03:10 AM »
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  • 1. Compared to Europe our oil is still cheap
    2. The higher price the better it is for the environment, hopefully now we'll spend our money on energy efficient cars with alternative energy sources and get away from buying Hummer Limo's and all that crap
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    Re: GAS
    « Reply #19 on: August 23, 2005, 12:06:23 AM »
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  • 2. The higher price the better it is for the environment, hopefully now we'll spend our money on energy efficient cars with alternative energy sources and get away from buying Hummer Limo's and all that crap


    lets hope  :-\

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    Re: GAS
    « Reply #20 on: August 23, 2005, 12:23:12 AM »
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  • I'm not trying to defend Bush just point out that this is a lot bigger then him.While I agree his policies have never been anything but oil friendly they could have hardly effected prices in such a way.
    i hafta say that you have no idea how wrong you are.  i can state unequivocally that $20-$24 ppb can be directly attributable to bush's monetary policy/choices.  don't be so naive.

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    Re: GAS
    « Reply #21 on: August 23, 2005, 07:35:07 AM »
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  • I know its Directly effected by that admin, it has been for years & it will be to come. This country is so over run with policies that will directly expand the pockets of those in power based on what their expertese was and is in the government & the Oil business. Theyve been in that business long before their political careers & they became politicians to protect those companies. Its the same as the insurance & drug companies as well. These companies are corrupt to the hilt & so powerfull that no one on the planet can make it stop. America is so bamboozled that they dont say a word about paying 10 times the amount the rest of the world is for drugs & insurance. They just blindly pay out the arse, not to mention the drugs you cannot get here in America becuase the companies dont have full controll to make the $$ they want on it, so they ban it while other drugs are completely fine thjo its well known the FDA approves bad drugs, while drugs for cancer sit on a shelf for 10 years.

    Oil & gas are no different. I have no dounbt that the Admin had every intension on getting a war started becuase the old adage is "war is good for the economy" but the didnt foresee the people of these countries abilities to hold their ground. Its stuck us in a situation we cannot get out of now & Ive never heard "Quagmire" mentioned so much on the radio even by republican supporters. In the end the only people effected are  you & I who do not have money invested in the right energies stocks. People who are directly making money off this war have everything invested in those areas & making bank. people are just now (who supported the war before) saying, well somethings not right but their almost affraid to say it becuase they dont want anyone saying, "I told you so" then made feel Un American by those who still support it.

    Its a mess, its not getting better & the fact is, its all about Oil. get that $3.00 gas folks, & everytime your cheap gas efficient honda costs you nearly 40 bucks to fill the tank, leaving a fat wad of lint in your pocket ask youself this, Who is making all this money off me? Trickle down effect is in full effect, we're just at the bottom.

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    Re: GAS
    « Reply #22 on: August 23, 2005, 08:29:04 AM »
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  • we also took a secular, stable government that had 3 very different ehtnic groups that didnt like each other and turned it into what will almost certainly be a non-free country ruled by islamic law that is completly unstable due to these 3 different groups.....i'm not saying saddam was a good guy, he was and is evil, but you could legally buy a automatic gun in iraq, wear pretty much whatever you want (compared to other countries in the mid east), and alot of other things...just one thing, don't talk bad about the boss. Saddam pretty much let his people be as long as they didnt speak out against him, meanwhile we have Saudi Arabia with strict islamic law with little freedom and the place where more than 80% of the hijackers on 9-11 where from....personally i would have chosen to live in iraq without hesitation if it was between that and saudi arabia, that seems to me to imply in my own mind that iraq was more free (and stable) then other mid east countries. So why would we invade it? Well for one thing we are associates with the Saudi's, and in my mind the biggest reason, finish daddy's war. I also do not believe Saddam was as big as a threat as they made out, they said he would do anything to harm America....simply not true, Saddam had one desire which he would do anything to hold on to: stay in power...i think he realized that in order to do so he couldn't piss off america too much. Sure, he wouldnt let weapon inspectors in and push buttons with the no fly zone, but these were small little events to show the iraqi's his power thus securing his goal to stay in power....now, im not saying this guy was some nice guy you'd wanna hang out with but if it came down to having a leader that is obsessed with american culture and allows you relative freedom as long as you dont speak against him OR a religious leader that will force you to obey strict religious law as governmental policy i'll choose Saddam.
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    Re: GAS
    « Reply #23 on: August 23, 2005, 08:36:28 AM »
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  • I think we totally got played by the Suadi Gov. We start a war against sadam for them, we look bad, they get their oil& come out lookin like the good guys to the muslim world. I can see it like a cartoon from Disney, " We my prinnce we send suicide bomber to to Ahmereeeca, tell dem eet was dis a stupiddaa Sadam and alqueda, dey blow up 2 countries for us, dey share stolen oil everybody happy, yeeeeees. Abule, make it so!" Clap Clap!

    2005 still a nightmare.

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    Re: GAS
    « Reply #24 on: August 23, 2005, 10:36:30 AM »
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  • If your referring to his policies towards Venezuela and worries over destabilization of the middle east. I don't think your accurate.  I would be a little more conservative with my guestimate like 10-15 ppb(which is still considerable). Rregardless of the finer points I’m not defending him or his policies. I just want people to be aware that the problem is not just with the current administration but also with global trends.

    No matter what its going to get worse and the current estimates of oil reserves are completely off because, demand and production are increasing faster then predicted.
    Trust in the board.

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    « Reply #25 on: August 23, 2005, 11:00:05 AM »
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  • That & "Globalization" is a rouge for, "get cheaper Labor, make more money." Its a global trend & countries that may not always support the USA are making a killing & building their countries economies up beyond ours & when they descide they dont want to agree with us anymore, thats when the USA will see the problems. They sold Globalization ike its the best thing to happen to the USA but it left us out in the cold. factories are closing left & right & hae been for 20 years now. It cannot stay this way or America will become the 3rd world nations we see on TV. people dont understand the future consiquences of this wheel in motion. The only People at the end of the line when things come apart that will be safe are the people who made their money off it. Its the selling out of America to make money of cheap labor.

    Its remeniscent of the gangster in the movies holding the gun to one of his collegues head & says, "Nothing personal old friend, Just business." as he pulls the trigger. Thats totally Globalization.

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    Re: GAS
    « Reply #26 on: August 23, 2005, 11:04:56 AM »
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  • i heard gas company's are acting as a monopoly and buys out all the other new energy sources before they can become reconized well enough for people to buy the stuff and hte government allows it cause gas is such an important recource for them to get money.

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    « Reply #27 on: August 23, 2005, 12:53:54 PM »
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  • See, everything is on the up & up, theres no conspiracies, (Insert Sarcastic breathe huff & eye roll here) ::)

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    Re: GAS
    « Reply #28 on: August 25, 2005, 05:49:55 AM »
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  • $68.00 a barrel folks, record high. LN I hope you make a wad on GWB's tarded politricks. Good on ya bro, I wish i knew how that worked about 5 years ago. Even Pat roberts next statement after he mentioning Chavez being assasinated was something about oil being safe, seems like everyones in it but me. ;D

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    Re: GAS
    « Reply #29 on: August 25, 2005, 06:35:07 AM »
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  • it cost me 46 bucks to fill my tank yesterday. i'm beyond answers i just want to hurt someone.