[little_nasty]

frrocky may wait for a nice corner that shoulders off the jetty and reels down the line.
 
But for the other 93% of the waves that break on the peak, a GOOD surfer would either (1) have the patience and consideration WAIT for a workable wave instead of wasting it for the rest of the surfers who are in a correct position to make the wave, or (2) wave the other surfers down the line onto the wave and enjoy a quick drop and tuck.
 
THe problem is that ny'ers don't wait around for anything, they GO GET IT.  And i love 'em for it, but it effing sucks out in the lineup.

[theusername]

i don't love 'em for it. the go get it (or really just "me first") attitude is part of what i hate about living here. (not that there aren't good things too.) a go getter who gets what they want at the expense of everyone else is just a douche, and there are way too many of them around.   

[little_nasty]

yeea - that's true.

[HydroGlide]

1st: there are places around here where everyone surfs well and everyone knows their place - even chronologically immature kids work themselves into a rotation without a hitch - don't judge the entire area by the ridiculous situation revovling around the two or three best known jetties in the area that you choose to hang around.
 
2nd: it's not our fault that people move here who talk slow and think some kind of foreign, spaced-out, "how can we save the whales" manner - you know it takes alot out of us to just somehow muster up the patience to wait the eternity that some of you people need just to finish a goddamned sentence - you should be thankful for our patience..
 
3rd: you are free to leave as soon as possible - our ever friendly JFK airport workers will see to it that you have a pleasant trip home.

[theusername]

haha! yes!! intolerance and xenophobia, rad. sorry, everyone is entitled to an opinion, yes - even you. disagree all you want, but telling people to leave if they criticize anything at all - lame!! that's not how our society works, and thank god for that. 

[HydroGlide]

? did I tell anyone to do anything at all?  Am I intolerant because I am patient??? Did I say my clan is the best in any way???  I just pointed out that you are free to change your unenjoyable situation anytime  - have a nice flight.

[seb]

You tell them Rex!

? did I tell anyone to do anything at all?  Am I intolerant because I am patient??? Did I say my clan is the best in any way???  I just pointed out that you are free to change your unenjoyable situation anytime  - have a nice flight.

[HydroGlide]

OK thanks Napolean,
 
You think anyone thinks I'm a loser cause I go home to Starla every night?? fergedaboudit!

[jscottk]

I knew this would happen..

Heres what I saw.

I took stats* For almost 1 hour there were  23 rides from various people (estimated 7) who got too their feet on a wave closest to the jetty.  Out of that 23 guess how many rode that wave further then the first set of sticks.. 1.  From what I could see the only other good rides that seemed** to use the whole wave were the surfers who took off in the proper place right at a peaky shoulder.  I take into account whether they dropped, stuffed or push down the lip, but since those surfers were a good 20 feet or got to their feet after the wave collapsed on Jetty boy, I still say they had the right idea.  And the right of way***

So argue all you want about attitudes and entitlement..
But the numbers state that because we keep fighting to get the peak postion at all cost
whether we deserve it or not.. the cost of this is a lot of wasted waves.




*admittedly this is only one day, but a good clean day.
** out of camera range
*** You could easilly see a few of the douche bags that were blowing waves kept paddleing around people and going right back to peak position.

[snaggletooth]

i don't understand how it's a problem. if someone gets crushed, just go, right? maybe i don't understand the dynamics
 
that said, if someone drops in on someone who is in a barrel or pushes the barrel closed on them, they are doomed to 7 years bad waves and raging diarrhea, so choose carefully.
 
also, a wasted wave might be a matter of opinion. i might think that someone who piddles along straight down the line from the jetty all the way to coney island wasted a wave, while the guy who got one good lip bash, cover up, or whatever and that was it did not waste the wave. (and for the record, i'm sure i waste a lot of waves...)
 
so, what gives? are you just annoyed at donkeydom, or is it really crimping things out there?

[jscottk]

so, what gives? are you just annoyed at donkeydom, or is it really crimping things out there?

Annoyed? To be truthful yeah a bit..
Its not really a situation like you are mentioning, I have no problems with the take it on the head for the glory..This is more of a take it in the crotch wastefulness, using 10% of the wave.
Our area is tightly packed..if you paddle away from the jetty even too make sure your going to be in just the right position..It almost guarantees that someone will paddle just inside you if you give them a foot.. repeat over and over this until everyone is too deep.

That said I surfed somewhere else, totally alone.
So as my last word I repeat..

I dont care
and
It will never change.

[Dorado]

From the likes of this situation In a weird way I'm glad I no longer live at the beach . By having a flexible job , a knowledge of various wave models and buoys , a commited attitude I don't miss too many of the good ones and do not always surf one spot because I live across the street  . That being said apart from , Ty, NYCWO , Gotham , Frok , Jeff when he's here , and any body else I didn't mention these guys put in there time and generally are the in the corner off the rocks guys and deservingly . I for one know I am not what Frok considers one of the " Shoulder GUYS or shoulder hoppers " as a I know Myself , Looseness , JScott generally   take off at the middle peak / sticks / BJ land which generally catches a lot of the bigger longer waves that peel , which suits my 80's /90's down the line style , and I know for a fact on certain swells a nice bowl/barrel section and where to find it .
I agree that many waves are wasted off the rocks and don't break all the way through and part of it is swell direction and the other is the sand bar. I surfed a few different areas this last swell and found the area in question was shutting down a lot more than it has in the past on this swell direction . Part of this was the tides were kinda funky this swell IMO .


When I am out there barring the aforementioned regular corner guys who make there share I go without hesitation and for the umpteenth time so should anyone else who is a regualr /local / whatever you consider yourself .
I other thing I know my JOB allows me a lot more freedom than most and I'm in a car anyway , but even when I OWNED on beach 120 st and rented on 122 , 131 , 134 , I travelled to other breaks when condiitons dictated so I understand pretty much all sides of the argument . I also first surfed in rockaway back in 1984 so I have seen different manifestations of that lineup or lack thereof for a few decades and feel in touch with the scene

[Crackie Onassis]

On another note, it's amazing how surfline cam has moved the peanut gallery from the boardwalk to the living room.

"Look at this goon  .. .Hey, don't change the channel, Judge Judy is on."

[jscottk]

one thing to add...
Both NYCwipeout and Uncle had the wait and strike jetty technique in perfect form this weekend.
NYCwipeout was somehow pulling long rides out of what looked like endless closeout sets..
I guess 15, 17, 19..(?) years of surfing the same jetty pays off..