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Martin Dunn: Avoiding Surfing Mistakes, Intermediate Level
« on: February 09, 2010, 10:11:22 PM »
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  • Wow - this article gave me a ton to think about - not sure if I can convert all the words to action, but damn, a lot to chew on from Martin Dunn, the guy from SurfCoach.com who's had more than a little success at this...

    Key points of the article:

    Manage the peak better - something I routinely don't do, but have been trying to be more conscious of and do a better job about - this just adds fuel to that fire for me. It's also a point nycwipeout has preached to me about a gazillion times.

    Generate your own speed - I'll settle for learning to generate ANY speed - but the point is 100% on the mark. I'm making oh so small headway in this area.....but damn, this has to be a priority going forward.

    Turning your head to lead the way into maneuvers - I'm totally in the dark, I have NO idea if I do or don't - but I'll be absolutely thinking about this next time I'm out

    Failing to bend the body when performing or finishing a maneuver - Guilty as charged. I really need to work on this...and developing a little bit of style wouldnt hurt, either.  ::)

    Great stuff - read it here:

    http://www.surfscience.com/topics/surfing-tips/intermediate-tips/avoiding-surfing-mistakes-with-martin-dunn-intermediate-level



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    Re: Martin Dunn: Avoiding Surfing Mistakes, Intermediate Level
    « Reply #1 on: February 10, 2010, 10:41:33 PM »
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  • cool lil  website
    "get your f**cking facts straight and quit being an idiot"
     
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    Re: Martin Dunn: Avoiding Surfing Mistakes, Intermediate Level
    « Reply #2 on: February 12, 2010, 08:23:57 AM »
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  • cool lil  website

    Yeah...def one of my favs.

    What I'd really love is some decent waves to try some of this stuff out with....  :-\ :-\
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    Re: Martin Dunn: Avoiding Surfing Mistakes, Intermediate Level
    « Reply #3 on: February 12, 2010, 02:09:57 PM »
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  • Just got the most outstanding PM from Looseness, analyzing how I surf in relation to the suggestions above, particularly turning my head, squaring up, and bending/flexibility - thanks, Loose!!!!!!
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    Re: Martin Dunn: Avoiding Surfing Mistakes, Intermediate Level
    « Reply #4 on: February 12, 2010, 03:39:23 PM »
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  •     I edited the following to speak to everyone but it's basically what i told Seacliff.



    Where I surf {guess where? :D } I get to see a LOT of novice to intermediate surfers. The thing I’ve observed as most common when people are going backside is; people not squaring their shoulders/upper body to the wave. What that means is rotating the upper body. What IS happening is their bodies face the beach on bottom turns, their heads may be turned a bit to look way down the line some, but are not looking at the pocket or lip that is nearby so they run along the bottom of the wave often missing power/speed/positioning they could be accessing. Also from observation I have a strong feeling that most are unable to do a squat and have their backs of their thighs hit the calves while feet stay flat on the floor. A lot of people’s knees never bend more than 90 degrees if that, and of course most of the bending is happening at the waist. That is super common and it's pretty bad for control of the surfboard. If one is running and doing strength stuff it’s awesome, but it also tightens up the very muscles that are crucial to control and style. Surfing is interesting in that good style/form {esthetically pleasing to look at} usually equates to function/effectiveness. Bending at the waist is not bad if it’s proportional to the whole body, but basically all the lower body muscles/tendons {legs and ankles} should be pretty stretched out so a high level of flex is possible.     

     1. stretch religiously, get your self to the point of serious flexibility. have more than you think you need. you don't have to do a whole yoga routine, but a series of stretches every day, we're talking about 10 -15 minutes, will get things where they need to be. Hey, yoga will do the trick if you want to go that way, it’s awesome. Anyway, focus on legs and back. Hamstrings, calves and achilles are the main culprits in what I call locked leg syndrome, where a person bends their knees a small amount and they pretty much lock there, then it's all upper body folding. Really hard to watch…..
     
     2. air surf. practice moving in and out of the positions you see pros in, like pig dog stance and layback. if you can't do it on land, it ain't happening in the water. do that stuff on an indo board for even better workout/training. If you can get into that DEEP squat I'm talking about AND rotate your shoulders 90 degrees you're getting there. DEEP knee bends with the upper body remaining as upright as possible also a good/necessary thing. I air surf quite a bit, sometimes before a surf, it really helps get stuff in the muscular memory bank so it just happens. Everything is a work in progress for me, I still struggle some with that shoulder rotation thing and other issues, but it's gotten a lot better since I started practicing form on land and when I ride my skateboard. Oh yeah check yourself out in a mirror in your backside tubestance and see if it looks like more like Parko or Barney..... 

     
    Rotate upper body.  {look where you want to go}
    Get your freaking knees to bend.  {WAY MORE} 





       
    It's no better to be safe than sorry....

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    Re: Martin Dunn: Avoiding Surfing Mistakes, Intermediate Level
    « Reply #5 on: February 13, 2010, 08:44:40 AM »
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  • get an Indo board and a medicine ball and do squats , pig dogs , etc on it while holding the midicine ball . Had def helped my Backhand surfing /pig dog NJ death barrel stance.... I surf with Looseness a lot and he can attest to this as it is alos important to coach each other point out when you nail it and when you are a little flat footed waist bent etc ..... constructive critiicism of your surf partners only helps . That way with out video that one you got locked into the pocket on and felt good if a biuddy saw it ask him how you looked were you " Square in the shoulders knee down etc ...

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    Re: Martin Dunn: Avoiding Surfing Mistakes, Intermediate Level
    « Reply #6 on: February 14, 2010, 10:04:04 PM »
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  • Loose, i think you mentioned this elsewhere, or maybe it was on surfline's tricks and tips, but going backside and pointing your leading hand up to where you want to hit the lip - that's huge. i couldn't figure out what was wrong with my ridiculously bad backside surfing (as evidenced by MJR's photos a few days ago) and it's not pointing that hand back UP the wave, which will open your shoulders and let you take it more vertical, which will then allow you to bring it back around. SNAP
     
    Onefin pointed this out to me in the pics - it helped so much. i'd read it and heard it before, but as a beginner, you can hear/read/think about it all you want, but you really have to feel it and see the timing aspect, etc, to have it sink in. i was looking at pros who can sometimes pivot around that inside hand backside without pointing it up at the lip, but it doesn't work for most average surfers. so, even playing on the indo board wouldn't have taught me that.
    so, squaring shoulders is key, but soemtimes the hands can force that to happen better than just thinking about turning the torso - at least for me.

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    Re: Martin Dunn: Avoiding Surfing Mistakes, Intermediate Level
    « Reply #7 on: February 14, 2010, 10:25:34 PM »
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  • Loose, i think you mentioned this elsewhere, or maybe it was on surfline's tricks and tips, but going backside and pointing your leading hand up to where you want to hit the lip - that's huge. i couldn't figure out what was wrong with my ridiculously bad backside surfing (as evidenced by MJR's photos a few days ago) and it's not pointing that hand back UP the wave, which will open your shoulders and let you take it more vertical, which will then allow you to bring it back around. SNAP
     
    Onefin pointed this out to me in the pics - it helped so much. i'd read it and heard it before, but as a beginner, you can hear/read/think about it all you want, but you really have to feel it and see the timing aspect, etc, to have it sink in. i was looking at pros who can sometimes pivot around that inside hand backside without pointing it up at the lip, but it doesn't work for most average surfers. so, even playing on the indo board wouldn't have taught me that.
    so, squaring shoulders is key, but soemtimes the hands can force that to happen better than just thinking about turning the torso - at least for me.

    Excellent. I'm SOO keeping this in mind.
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    Re: Martin Dunn: Avoiding Surfing Mistakes, Intermediate Level
    « Reply #8 on: February 15, 2010, 01:45:57 AM »
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  • yeah, i got it from a surfline how-to surf backside thingy and have been telling anyone who will listen....it helped me a lot and kui and others have commented they could spot me on good days at Rock by my orangutang arm pointing at the top all the time.....
    http://www.surfline.com/community/whoknows/whoknows.cfm?id=1117
     
    It's no better to be safe than sorry....

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    Re: Martin Dunn: Avoiding Surfing Mistakes, Intermediate Level
    « Reply #9 on: February 15, 2010, 07:04:07 AM »
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  • yeah, i got it from a surfline how-to surf backside thingy and have been telling anyone who will listen....it helped me a lot and kui and others have commented they could spot me on good days at Rock by my orangutang arm pointing at the top all the time.....
    http://www.surfline.com/community/whoknows/whoknows.cfm?id=1117
     

    Great link...thanks!!

     ;D
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