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airborn???
« on: March 01, 2010, 03:31:31 PM »
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  • So, lately I have been thinking I can do airs, maybe its the modern collective maybe its just keeping up with the jonses.  Either way, I seem to be able to boost at least a little bit front side and backside but for the life of me I cant spot a landing or properly stay over my board.  I have landed a few years ago but I think that was just sheep luck and I wasnt even trying vs. now.  I understand the wider stance for the landing but I think I am probably not doing that.  Also be it front or backside I am not grabbing the board.  I punted a nice frontside yesterday and when i reconnected with the board I felt like I might snap my ankle and fell off.  Tips.
    "Long Beach Rule you cant stand up on a bodyboard." Guillespe.  "I have the rules, it doesn't say that anywhere" me.  "Its our rule, its always been our rule, I make the rules" guillespe.  "Thats not really fair you just made that rule up" me.  "go to the surf beach" Guillespe.  "Wont I get kicked out for ridind a bodyboard" me. "Yes" Guillespe. Damned if I do, Damned if I dont.  We love LB

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    Re: airborn???
    « Reply #1 on: March 01, 2010, 03:35:09 PM »
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  • So, lately I have been thinking I can do airs, maybe its the modern collective maybe its just keeping up with the jonses.  Either way, I seem to be able to boost at least a little bit front side and backside but for the life of me I cant spot a landing or properly stay over my board.  I have landed a few years ago but I think that was just sheep luck and I wasnt even trying vs. now.  I understand the wider stance for the landing but I think I am probably not doing that.  Also be it front or backside I am not grabbing the board.  I punted a nice frontside yesterday and when i reconnected with the board I felt like I might snap my ankle and fell off.  Tips.

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    Re: airborn???
    « Reply #2 on: March 01, 2010, 03:54:38 PM »
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  • More of an observation than a tip...but maybe a tip...and yeah, I know...I'm a million years from punting and landing myself (perhaps I'll get it in another lifetime or two), but I also assess and advise people on the management of their diabetes all day long, but I'm not diabetic, either.  ::)

    So here goes:

    Your style is to attack walls of waves the exact same way you attack the walls of the Autumn Bowl - it's dramatic, calculated, and has a very distinct visual impact that fortunately for you, translates very well to film.

    What it does not do, however, is take your board out of contact with the wave for long at all - as a matter of fact, it's the opposite - you grind rails on the lips of waves and bowls and stay in control and in contact with the wave and the power of the wave about as much as anyone I know. Now this is all by design - you're controlling the wave - but this is also the problem: The essence of airs runs counterintuitive to your style, since it demands that you give up control and contact, at least momentarily.

    So what's my suggestion? Screw trying to land the airs....at least at first. Concentrate on just punting as much and as high as you can. Instead of seeing the lip and crushing it by "grinding the rail" as you do so well, and then bringing the board hard back down into the pocket, fight your instinct on a handful of waves each session and forego the obvious "lip grind" and instead punt it as high as you can to help get the feel of you and the board in the air.

    My impression is that once you get comfortable giving up control, your natural instinct to stay in control will show through and you'll figure out what you need to do and exactly how you need to punt it to land it.

    Good luck - maybe I'll surf with you sometime and see how it's working out for you.  ::)
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    Re: airborn???
    « Reply #3 on: March 01, 2010, 04:25:57 PM »
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  • i have the same problem, out of the very few airs ive attempted, I could not land them. I am also kinda scared I'll break my ankles.. I think the key is staying over your board and haveing the confidence to land safelyt back in the transition. landing in the flats could be feet breaking.   and another big thing is sppeed! and the right section. seems like I never have both surfing around here. I had a few oppturnuties on my PR trip this year...I actually landed a little credit card air..I was stoked.

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    Re: airborn???
    « Reply #4 on: March 01, 2010, 09:40:10 PM »
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  • i havent landed many and i def dont try them alot cause i dont always find sections for one but grabs def help in keeping hte board under you. i cant even try airs backside, front sides pretty easy to do, but like you said its the landing thats the hard part. grabs are way easier then you think, if you snowboard or do airs skating its pretty much the same idea. if you dont basically pop the air and with whatever grab you wanna do kinda suck the board/bend closer to the boiard f needed at all and grab it. fs grabs/indys are easiest for me which is back hand grabing on frontside rail

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    Re: airborn???
    « Reply #5 on: March 02, 2010, 09:21:00 AM »
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  • For what it's worth, I've noticed that I force the height when I just don't have the speed = never staying over the board.  I only have success when I just go smaller and maintain center of balance over board, that or go way faster.  Also, being able to consistently land airs/spins frontside and backside in a mini-ramp/bowl is probably the only reason I can even pretend to land airs surfing, so head over to autumn and just really refresh the muscle memory for boosting and landing.

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    Re: airborn???
    « Reply #6 on: March 02, 2010, 09:36:22 AM »
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  • at the bowl I am a below the coping kind of guy, I can go ungodly fast but at 34 I have little interest in teaching myself airs in the bowl. I was never able to do them in ramps, the only thing I could do was ollie stairs and brown trout like that when I was younger, now I wont even ollie unless I am teaching my niece or nephews how to do it.
    "Long Beach Rule you cant stand up on a bodyboard." Guillespe.  "I have the rules, it doesn't say that anywhere" me.  "Its our rule, its always been our rule, I make the rules" guillespe.  "Thats not really fair you just made that rule up" me.  "go to the surf beach" Guillespe.  "Wont I get kicked out for ridind a bodyboard" me. "Yes" Guillespe. Damned if I do, Damned if I dont.  We love LB

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    Re: airborn???
    « Reply #7 on: March 02, 2010, 09:55:28 AM »
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  • is a walker fish meant to fly?

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    Re: airborn???
    « Reply #8 on: March 02, 2010, 10:14:18 AM »
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  • is a walker fish meant to fly?
    you never heard of flying fish? ;D ;D ;D


    "Long Beach Rule you cant stand up on a bodyboard." Guillespe.  "I have the rules, it doesn't say that anywhere" me.  "Its our rule, its always been our rule, I make the rules" guillespe.  "Thats not really fair you just made that rule up" me.  "go to the surf beach" Guillespe.  "Wont I get kicked out for ridind a bodyboard" me. "Yes" Guillespe. Damned if I do, Damned if I dont.  We love LB

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    Re: airborn???
    « Reply #9 on: March 02, 2010, 10:31:51 AM »
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  • Adding my experience to the conversation, as I would like to start landing airs with consistency, too...

    At the time I was transitioning from skateboarding to surfing, I was starting to get over my fear of airs above the coping. A friend who has been doing airs on ramps for years said that you have to let go of the idea of "popping" the ollie at the coping - instead, you ride out of the ramp with a lot of speed, letting the back trucks clip the coping. I started putting this into practice, mostly to land frontside disasters, sometimes with an indy grab, but was having success, getting a few feet above the lip.

    I've tried the same with surfing, but am just not in the water enough nor out long enough to find the ramps consistently. That said, I have landed a few, and the same theory applies - get lots of speed and don't concentrate on forcing the air, just ride the fins out and stay centered. One big mistake I make a lot is that same bad habit I had on the ramp, which is trying to pop the ollie below the lip, and on the water that just buries the tail. If anyone has ridden a jump ramp, the feeling is similar. We've all done flyaway kickouts, too. Same thing, just trying to concentrate on keeping the board underneath you.

    Onefin... I find that airs to disaster on ramps are closest to airs on waves, and they take a lot less commitment then airing back into the transition. If you can fakie rock n' roll, you can come back in from an air to disaster on the coping.

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    Re: airborn???
    « Reply #10 on: March 02, 2010, 09:55:16 PM »
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  • ok, if onefin is gonna try busting airs I'm gonna try to damnit. seriously, I don't really have clue how though I have actually spontaneously attempted on 3 occasions total but I'm taking off um, on a day this week from work and from the freaking wave. instead of floating that section I'm launching!
    It's no better to be safe than sorry....

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    Re: airborn???
    « Reply #11 on: March 02, 2010, 10:30:46 PM »
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  • Good topic since I was just trying them in PR this past trip on my Frocket.
    Same problem, I can get some air but the keeping the board attached to my feet and landing is the problem. I was thinking if the wind was more side shore it might help keeping the board planted to the feet.


    Around here going right with a little east wind. Not sure if that would do it but the idea I guess would be to get the board angle against the wind.


    Again just thinking out loud here since I haven't actually landed one. Hoping by summer.

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    Re: airborn???
    « Reply #12 on: March 03, 2010, 07:37:00 AM »
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  • I can barely jump over the Sunday paper on land but I think Snaggle is on to something. You don't see Dion Agius or Mitch Colburn riding fishes and such. I also get the feeling that those guys go through boards like tissue paper.
    So heavy you can't even pick it up.

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    Re: airborn???
    « Reply #13 on: March 03, 2010, 07:50:54 AM »
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  • watching Mitch Colburn on video it seems like he really kicks the tail of the board hard while rotating his upper body hard . I also notice tall lanky guys like Jordy , dane and even Christian Fletcher have wide stances and use their upper body a lot to get out the back .

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    Re: airborn???
    « Reply #14 on: March 03, 2010, 09:10:35 AM »
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  • I can barely jump over the Sunday paper on land but I think Snaggle is on to something. You don't see Dion Agius or Mitch Colburn riding fishes and such. I also get the feeling that those guys go through boards like tissue paper.
    but you see Slater, Cormican, Wardo, et al go mental looney in the air on Redux.  Or Ozzie Wright in 110 trix?  I totally agree on spotting the landing and going with a wider stance, that is something that Balram has mentioned to me in the past, he also told me to get off the fish.  I have ridden thrusters and potato chips in the past, for some reason I destroy them and although they are more responsive I dont like hopping or being flicky flacky ticky tacky.  I have mentioned to Snaggle that i was thinking about a 5'11x19.75x2 round tail, the board would keep the volume out to the rail and have either a flat or slightly concaved deck and I would go with probably F3 rear fin and f4 sides.  But I am a board whore and what I want to ride one day and am bored of the next, but if I do go the three fin route Im going local, Faktion, Nature Shapes, Clams, et al.
    « Last Edit: March 03, 2010, 10:44:12 AM by onefinookas »
    "Long Beach Rule you cant stand up on a bodyboard." Guillespe.  "I have the rules, it doesn't say that anywhere" me.  "Its our rule, its always been our rule, I make the rules" guillespe.  "Thats not really fair you just made that rule up" me.  "go to the surf beach" Guillespe.  "Wont I get kicked out for ridind a bodyboard" me. "Yes" Guillespe. Damned if I do, Damned if I dont.  We love LB